Seismic Activity?

[Silversmok3]

I just remembered something.After the fleet warps to Vulcan,Chekov says that Vulcan high command sent a distress call requesting assistance due to seismic instability.The end.

Did the High Command conveniently forget to add the part about the *seismic instability* being caused by a 5 mile long spacecraft drilling into their planet?
I'd imagine it would be logical to inform the calvary of any negative developments that could impede a rescue...such as a 5 mile long spacecraft drilling into the planet.

 

[Phily B]

Maybe the drill wasn't viewable from where they were on Vulcan

 

[barnaclelapse]

Still, you'd think someone on the planet would notice a giant damn drill.

(Shrugs)

Just one of those things, I suppose.

 

[Silversmok3]

Maybe the drill wasn't viewable from where they were on Vulcan

Well,if someone started drilling into Austrailia from space I'd imagine the Aussie PM would be on the phone to the White House,proto.If such thing happened on Earth of today.


One can only imagine that Vulcan has a better phone system than we do.

 

[Jeri]

I saw the movie last night for the 12th time -- with a specific mission to nail down what the deal was with the distress call. The problem is that with the drill running, no one should have been able to get out a message.

So, the distress call that Chekov reads first mentions a storm in the neutral zone and then that the Vulcan High command sent a distress call over seismic activity. I think it's one of those things left intentionally vague. And I don't remember any expansion on it in the novelization; but I should check again, I guess.

I have postulated before that perhaps an off-planet source detected seismic activity and sent the message. They might have had no view of the Narada and not connected it.

 

[Silversmok3]

Jeri brings up another head scratcher.Unless the Narada went through another black hole to get to Vulcan,there would be no lightning storm in space.It would be the Narada exiting warp,and it starting to drill into the planet.

If the distress call came from the planet-and if its Vulcan High Command that sent it,it probably is-I find it difficult to imagine that no one got around to telling the government about a giant spaceship with a really long drill.The Narada is neither cloaked nor small,so what gives?

 

[Jeri]

Well, as I said, I think the distress call did NOT come from the planet.

I went to the film with the idea to notice whether there was another red-matter hole near Vulcan, and there was not. The message from the High Command doesn't bring the neutral-zone storm into it. They did not connect it.

It was Chekov who connected the two bits of news together in his ship-wide report. The two notable bits of news just coincidentally came together there.

 

[Silversmok3]

Well, as I said, I think the distress call did NOT come from the planet.

I went to the film with the idea to notice whether there was another red-matter hole near Vulcan, and there was not. The message from the High Command doesn't bring the neutral-zone storm into it. They did not connect it.

It was Chekov who connected the two bits of news together in his ship-wide report. The two notable bits of news just coincidentally came together there.

Ahh.At any rate Vulcan High Command would be on the planet proper,given most governments function in the jurisdiction they govern in.Unless they evacuated before it all went to pot,and if they evacuated it stands to reason they'd detect the Narada somehow.Since the film doesn't outline where High Command is in all of this,I'm assuming they're on Vulcan when they made the SOS call;which it still stands to reason *someone* would have called the authorities once they saw a giant 5 mile long ship drilling a hole.

 

[Jeri]

I don't think it's a given that the Vulcan High Command is located solely on the planet. They probably have contingents on other bodies and remote stations.

They would be able to detect seismic activity remotely easily, without necessarily connecting it to a mining ship -- which would be a far-fetched notion.

 

[Silversmok3]

I don't think it's a given that the Vulcan High Command is located solely on the planet. They probably have contingents on other bodies and remote stations.

They would be able to detect seismic activity remotely easily, without necessarily connecting it to a mining ship -- which would be a far-fetched notion.

Exactly my point-one,governments have offices in their districts except in grave emergency.

Examples:Starfleet HQ is on San Fransisco proper,with auxilillary facilities like spacedock and such.

The Federation seat is IN Paris,not in orbit or on the moon.

A Vulcan sattelite or observatory should have been able to not only spot seismic problems,but be able to trace an epicenter-shoot we have that capability today with 21st century Earth tech.And it would have led to a concentrated spot on Vulcan,and it wouldn't be farfetched to get someone over there with a camera lens to see what's up.

Which comes back to the core topic-how come the Vulcan High Command could call Starfleet knowing there's seismic problems,but not know what's causing them?

I could see the point if the Narada was cloaked,but the final shot on Earth shows that the Narada *is* visible from the naked eye at drilling altitude,so what gives?

 

[RobertScorpio]

I just remembered something.After the fleet warps to Vulcan,Chekov says that Vulcan high command sent a distress call requesting assistance due to seismic instability.The end.

Did the High Command conveniently forget to add the part about the *seismic instability* being caused by a 5 mile long spacecraft drilling into their planet?
I'd imagine it would be logical to inform the calvary of any negative developments that could impede a rescue...such as a 5 mile long spacecraft drilling into the planet.

This was a movie, not a book. They are presuming that we as viewers of the movie can deduce that things were happening at a fast pace. So, while an interesting question, I don't think it really mattered much to the large crowds I have seen the movie with. To much info can lull people to sleep (The Motion Picture comes to mind, as George Takei has mentioned on more than one occasion I might add)

Rob

 

[Jeri]

If Vulcans detected seismic problems remotely and weren't able to communicate with the planet, they would be trying to find out why; but the first thing they would do is send a message to Star Fleet.

It could be they discovered the problem in the interim, but the Enterprise couldn't receive messages while the drill was working, so they never heard. Spock had to wait until the drill stopped to get Chekov to do an analysis.

The Vulcans don't have the Benzite regulation which states that no officer is to report any unexplained occurrence without providing a full analysis and solution.

 

[M'Sharak]

Well, as I said, I think the distress call did NOT come from the planet.

I went to the film with the idea to notice whether there was another red-matter hole near Vulcan, and there was not. The message from the High Command doesn't bring the neutral-zone storm into it. They did not connect it.

It was Chekov who connected the two bits of news together in his ship-wide report. The two notable bits of news just coincidentally came together there.

I believe it's been pointed out in another thread that the Neutral Zone storm is not caused by the Narada, but by Spock's "Jellyfish" ship arriving from the future (with Nero & Co. stand by, waiting to capture him.) It is around this time or just before that the Klingon fleet gets trashed, presumably for investigating why a Giant Space Octopus is loitering on the border of Klingon space. (Found it: see Peter the Younger's post here and posts following.)

As you say, there's not a direct connection made between that and the seismic disturbance until Kirk hears Chekov's announcement.

 

[Jeri]

Yes, the Neutral Zone storm is caused by the Jellyfish. Some people earlier in other threads thought the storm was next to Vulcan, and I had already pointed out it was not. There were only two red-matter storms (before the final one).

There was some confusion about the order of things, so I set out to viewing #12 last night to observe.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Yes, the Neutral Zone storm is caused by the Jellyfish. Some people earlier in other threads thought the storm was next to Vulcan, and I had already pointed out it was not. There were only two red-matter storms (before the final one).

There was some confusion about the order of things, so I set out to viewing #12 last night to observe.

#6 attempt, tomorrow, to find the fricking tribble!!!

Rob

 

[Jeri]

Oh, Rob! It's on Scotty's desk in the lab on Delta Vega -- to the right of him on the screen. I always got distracted and forgot to make a point of it until about viewing #5, too. You can hear it cooing.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Oh, Rob! It's on Scotty's desk in the lab on Delta Vega -- to the right of him on the screen. I always got distracted and forgot to make a point of it until about viewing #5, too. You can hear it cooing.

I'll see it this time! I KNOW I will...what color is it? typical light brown?

By the way..keeping it on topic..I LIKED the drill beam effect..real cool..and I liked the rumbling sound of the rocks too

Rob

 

[Silversmok3]

Just came back from #5.Its definitely from 'High Command',so we can rule out passerby warnings.

 

[Jeri]

Just came back from #5.Its definitely from 'High Command',so we can rule out passerby warnings.

I said High Command. I don't know where the passerby warnings idea came from, but it wasn't me.

I said the High Command could send a warning from another body, like another planet or moon -- or from a space base.

In fact, it's the only way possible; with the drill working, it couldn't have come from on Vulcan proper.

I'll see it this time! I KNOW I will...what color is it? typical light brown?

I think so -- it's dimly lit in there.

 

[Silversmok3]

Just came back from #5.Its definitely from 'High Command',so we can rule out passerby warnings.

I said High Command. I don't know where the passerby warnings idea came from, but it wasn't me.

I said the High Command could send a warning from another body, like another planet or moon -- or from a space base.

In fact, it's the only way possible; with the drill working, it couldn't have come from on Vulcan proper.

I'll see it this time! I KNOW I will...what color is it? typical light brown?

I think so -- it's dimly lit in there.

Some things I noticed on this last viewing:

When Spock beams to collapsing Vulcan to rescue his parents you see something flying above his head.I can't say 100% it was the Enterprise,but its gray and its flying.

Didn't look out for the tribble,but Scottys desk is fubar cluttered.

The disruptor that Kirk takes from Neyel is already on the deck before he jumps to strangle Kirk.

And of course..the deflector dish opening on the last scene.