1. why didn't the Narada destroy the shuttles. the wide shot made them look like easy pickins!
2. How sould a supernova put the whole galaxy at risk?
2. How sould a supernova put the whole galaxy at risk?
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The Narada was briefly crippled and unable to return fire, because the Kelvin rammed it.
1. Like he said, the Narada was crippled.
2. I'm thinking Spock was exaggerating. Probably a GRB pointed at Romulus.
I haven't figured out #2 yet. It seems a bit of overkill, but maybe it was a nearby star?
What still throws me off a little, is exactly how much time did they have before it hit the planet? Was it a day? An hour? Seems they had some advance warning, why not evacuate the planet?
What still throws me off a little, is exactly how much time did they have before it hit the planet? Was it a day? An hour? Seems they had some advance warning, why not evacuate the planet?
My friend's theory is that Spock was putting it in simpler terms for the sake of time.
I've mentally retconned it as "puts the balance of power in the whole galaxy at risk" because I'm a sucker for complicated intergalactic political plots.
Perhaps the original supernova destabilized a subspace fault that caused other stars along its path (including Romulus or whatever the Romulan star is called, and eventually Vulcan if left unchecked) to go nova as well. And since it's subspace, the effects can propagate faster than light.
Yeah, that's the ticket...
Yeah, that's the ticket...
Perhaps the original supernova destabilized a subspace fault that caused other stars along its path (including Romulus or whatever the Romulan star is called, and eventually Vulcan if left unchecked) to go nova as well. And since it's subspace, the effects can propagate faster than light.
Yeah, that's the ticket...
A while back, I read that a star going supernova within 30 light years of Earth could destroy the planet (and all other planets in that range). And, a very large supernova much much farther away could possibly destabilize our own sun. Take those facts and embellish them, and you've got the science fiction in this movie.
Regarding the shuttles well for Narada being crippled it was unable to take down the shuttles is a good answer.
However i want add third question because i having a little problem with it. The scene where Spock was explaining Nero motives. We see Spock take couple drop or was one drop to create a black hole to deal with Supernova. We can also see Nero men take one or 2 drops red matter to destroy Vulcan. My question is why is Spock caring this enormous red matter sphere. Spock has enough red matter to create million black holes
. A standard table tennis table would contain enough red matter for thousand black holes so why is Spock caring so much red matter in one tiny ship for this dangerous mission if he needed only couple of drops of it?
Here is a follow up question. When young Spock rammed the Jellyfish which ignites the remaining red matter(enormous red matter sphere ) and creates a black hole within the Narada's superstructure. I presume the more red matter is used to create black hole the bigger it gets right.
Shouldn't the black hole be like million time bigger and big enough to consume entire Solar System.
However i want add third question because i having a little problem with it. The scene where Spock was explaining Nero motives. We see Spock take couple drop or was one drop to create a black hole to deal with Supernova. We can also see Nero men take one or 2 drops red matter to destroy Vulcan. My question is why is Spock caring this enormous red matter sphere. Spock has enough red matter to create million black holes
. A standard table tennis table would contain enough red matter for thousand black holes so why is Spock caring so much red matter in one tiny ship for this dangerous mission if he needed only couple of drops of it?Here is a follow up question. When young Spock rammed the Jellyfish which ignites the remaining red matter(enormous red matter sphere ) and creates a black hole within the Narada's superstructure. I presume the more red matter is used to create black hole the bigger it gets right.
Shouldn't the black hole be like million time bigger and big enough to consume entire Solar System.
Regarding the shuttles well for Narada being crippled it was unable to take down the shuttles is a good answer.
However i want add third question because i having a little problem with it. The scene where Spock was explaining Nero motives. We see Spock take couple drop or was one drop to create a black hole to deal with Supernova. We can also see Nero men take one or 2 drops red matter to destroy Vulcan. My question is why is Spock caring this enormous red matter sphere. Spock has enough red matter to create million black holes
Here is a follow up question. When young Spock rammed the Jellyfish which ignites the remaining red matter(enormous red matter sphere ) and creates a black hole within the Narada's superstructure. I presume the more red matter is used to create black hole the bigger it gets right.
I think the Red Matter is probably much more stable (and safer) as a big blob, but much less unstable as little drops.
Regarding the shuttles well for Narada being crippled it was unable to take down the shuttles is a good answer.
However i want add third question because i having a little problem with it. The scene where Spock was explaining Nero motives. We see Spock take couple drop or was one drop to create a black hole to deal with Supernova. We can also see Nero men take one or 2 drops red matter to destroy Vulcan. My question is why is Spock caring this enormous red matter sphere. Spock has enough red matter to create million black holes
Here is a follow up question. When young Spock rammed the Jellyfish which ignites the remaining red matter(enormous red matter sphere ) and creates a black hole within the Narada's superstructure. I presume the more red matter is used to create black hole the bigger it gets right.
Well we don't know what the exact properties of red matter are, and it's not exactly hard sci-fi stuff, so any number of explanations are possible. My personal assumption at the time was that the mass of the singularity is limited by the amount of regular matter the red matter comes into contact with after it "ignites."
As for the supernova, yeah they should have used a GRB, that would have made a helluva lot more sense. Although they probably would need to give it a cooler name "Gamma Ray Burst" would sound too technobabbly for JJ, even through they actually exist.
1. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't we see the Narada zap a pod right before the Kelvin rams it? I just assumed George protected them until the end. The Narada was looking to destory them, but was stopped by George. The Narada got off a few shots before the Kelvin rammed and then was crippled.
2. I took it Spock created the black hole that sucked in his ship and Nero's to stop the nova?
2. I took it Spock created the black hole that sucked in his ship and Nero's to stop the nova?
If a supernova can affect planet 30 ly away, then what happened to Romulus is well within the realm of possibility no?
According to Countdown...
Oh forget, even for sci-fi the idea of a supernova posing a threat to an entire galaxy is completely idiotic.
That was really the only scene that caused me to go WTF? And I had the same thought as a previous poster- why not have GRB threaten Romulus? Just as much of an opportunity for special effects mayhem. But threaten the whole galaxy? No way- no how. But another person has summed it up better than most could. One of my favorite science writers- and a Trek fan who really liked the movie, Phil Plait, author of "Death from the Skies" and the Bad Astronomy website. If you're interested, he did a science review of the new movie, and his opinion of the supernova was that it "pained him". If you're interested, the review is here:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/08/ba-review-star-trek/
Basically, a supernova more than 50 ly away from a planet can't do diddly squat, and a black hole is just gravity- not the Hoover Vacuum Cleaner of Death. If you're orbiting a star or planet that somehow gets turned into a black hole, as long you were in a stable orbit before it Black Hole-ified, you'll still be in a stable orbit afterwards- although the radiation would be a real bear.
And there were a few things made him want kiss J.J. for because he got the science right.
BTW, supernova don't blow up at warp speed, so unless that star was literally the home sun of Romulus, (in which case they'd have had plenty of warning), they would have known about the supernova at least a couple of years before the wavefront got anywhere near Romulus, and time to certainly evacuate a decent percentage of the population.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/08/ba-review-star-trek/
Basically, a supernova more than 50 ly away from a planet can't do diddly squat, and a black hole is just gravity- not the Hoover Vacuum Cleaner of Death. If you're orbiting a star or planet that somehow gets turned into a black hole, as long you were in a stable orbit before it Black Hole-ified, you'll still be in a stable orbit afterwards- although the radiation would be a real bear.
And there were a few things made him want kiss J.J. for because he got the science right.
BTW, supernova don't blow up at warp speed, so unless that star was literally the home sun of Romulus, (in which case they'd have had plenty of warning), they would have known about the supernova at least a couple of years before the wavefront got anywhere near Romulus, and time to certainly evacuate a decent percentage of the population.
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