Star Trek V: The Final Frontier enhanced effects reel

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Penhall99, May 18, 2009.

  1. Penhall99

    Penhall99 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I disagree. The only thing that would take some time and money would be the ending, and even that is still achievable without an enormous budget.

    Yes, TFF needs more work than TMP needed, but its still possible to let Shatner do his cut of the film for a reasonable price.
     
  2. Amaris

    Amaris Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    ^ I agree. I love this movie. I'm watching it right now and I can see where the effects reel would improve some of the overall quality, but they really do need to let the Shat get a refit. It's only right considering the hell they went through trying to get the movie made.

    J.
     
  3. FalTorPan

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    I don't see how upgrading the movie's effects would be profitable.
     
  4. QuasarVM

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    Well, probably about as profitable as the ST:TMP Director's Cut or the Superman II: Richard Donner Version DVDs...or the Legend Director's Cut that was released a few years ago...

    Anyway, I don't think Paramount has anything to lose...why not do it?
     
  5. Maurice

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    Without knowing how the DVD sales for TFF compare to the other films it's really not safe to say Paramount has nothing to lose. That's mere speculation.
     
  6. Praetor

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    I really like the effort here. It would be nice to get a TFF Director's Cut.
     
  7. GalaxyX

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    Well, being one of the few who like the movie, I can definitely tell you it's not because of the FX lol. If they wanted to bother and do a director's cut, they basically have to throw out 80% of the effect shots and redo them in higher quality and with better staging, as several posters mentioned before. Is it doable! yes. Will Paramount bother? I don't know.

    TMP was a better liked movie than TFF. TMP also only needed minor touch ups (fix up the pacing, cut out too much unnecessary stuff, the actual scenes where new FX footage was rendered was probably 2-3mins worth of the movie, TFF would probably need at least 20mins of new renderings)
     
  8. Botany Bay

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    Neither does Paramount, otherwise Shatner and a CGI team would have been thrown into a room together years ago.

    It's a shame, I'd love to see Shatner's original ideas finally on film. I'd be much more inclined to buy a "definitive", Shatner approved TFF with CGI than see bits of TOS episodes interspersed with 2000's CGI.

    Oh, and to the guys doing the fan restoration - great stuff:techman:
     
  9. Penhall99

    Penhall99 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Star Trek fans know the movie's troubled history, and they'd definitely pick up a director's edition of Star Trek V. Its a no-brainer.
     
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  10. QuasarVM

    QuasarVM Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Absolutely. And so would fans of alternate versions of films -- such as myself. I think I have every director's cut and special edition of most sci-fi and fantasy films.

    I would add TFF in a heartbeat.
     
  11. Emperor-Tiberius

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    So, I gotta ask... is this anywehre near done? I have been awaiting for this for, forever. I really want to see all three versions of it, even.

    Any news about it, at all?
     
  12. Dukhat

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    Since the last post about this was almost 10 years ago, I’d say...no. Paramount and CBS have found other ways to make money in that time...like with the Kelvin universe films and Star Trek: Discovery.
     
  13. Emperor-Tiberius

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    You must excuse me, I just woke up after living under a rock.

    But seriously, I do kinda wish they released this. Why not?
     
  14. Nightowl1701

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    Because they figured no amount of CGI would be enough to fix that film, and there was no point throwing good money after bad? Because William Shatner, with all due respect, ain't no Robert Wise - or even no Nicholas Meyer? Because only the hardcore fans would even give the title a glance on store shelves? And they can't even be sure about them...
     
  15. Lance

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    I agree with the notion that individually it would never make back the costs of a director's edition, but maybe they could offset the costs by making it part of a boxed set... remaster the whole lot, include the director's cuts, make it a deluxe piece maybe even with new bonus features (slap "definitive edition" on it), and allow the bumped up price to absorb the costs of redoing TFF. People may not buy a director's cut of TFF, but they may buy a set that includes it alongside the director's cut of TMP and TWOK and TUC.
     
  16. Dukhat

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    There's very little point in redoing the effects, even for a box set, because:

    A. The effects were not really the film's problem, and

    B. Very few people would actually want the effects changed enough to buy a new version of it (or especially an entire box set).
     
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  17. Vger23

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    I'd buy it the moment it was available.
     
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  18. Dukhat

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    So would I. But I doubt Paramount would make them just for the two of us ;)
     
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    Paramount has no intention of revisiting the ST movies again, ever. The 2009 HD transfers, in all of their over-processed digitally-scrubbed glory, are "good enough."

    Those Blu-Rays were released to coincide with the 2009 movie. If you wanted all ten movies spread across two thin-case sets, you were in luck. If you preferred the individual 2009-revised artwork with each film (DVD or Blu-Ray) you were stuck with even-numbered movies only. The only movie to get a remaster was The Wrath of Khan, which needed it. Every other transfer was scrubbed to conceal where remastering might have benefited the film.

    So what did Paramount do to coincide with Into Darkness? Why, they finally released the odd-numbered ST movies (being the same 2009-authored discs, with trailers for the 2009 movie still on them) individually. You could finally have all ten movies separately packaged with their 2009-revised artwork if you wanted. All they "really" had to do was come with new 2009-style covers for the odd-numbered movies. So in essence, they held back on releasing the Blu-Rays of TMP, STIII, STV, GEN and INS separately in 2009 so they could have "something" to release whenever the Abrams sequel (Into Darkness) came out.

    4k was already a thing when Beyond came out, so Paramount took ONE of the classic ST movies, the one that was the most popular, and remastered it in 4k... and then didn't release it in 4k. Since they were remastering it "anyway", they fixed the color-correction issues from their previous HD remaster and let the director rebuild his director's cut. For the first time, both versions of Meyer's film would co-exist on the same disc. Missed opportunities? They could have gone back and looked for old TV spots for the movie (like they did previously for the DVD special editions of The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier). Instead there's just the one Wrath of Khan trailer seen on every prior DVD release of the movie. There's also said to have been an alternate title sequence (on the initial batch of theatrical prints) that omitted the roman numeral from the title -- THIS would be a thing to see, especially since they were using seamless branching "anyway" to present the director's cut. But it didn't, it wouldn't, occur to them.

    Later that same year, Paramount demonstrated they had not "actually" learned their lesson from their separate "retail exclusive" releases of Into Darkness by this time alienating consumers of Beyond in the same fashion. Who needs a director's commentary? Surely anyone "fanatic" enough to want all the extras would buy up all the retail exclusives, right? Right? (I didn't bother, my employer had already begun screwing me over by that point).

    So what's left? Well, there's still that 4k remaster of The Wrath of Khan that has yet to see a 4k release. I predict they'll... wait for it... make a 4k disc to coincide with the release of the Chris-and-Chris movie. And that will be it. The other nine existing Blu-Rays will remain "good enough" where the remaining films are concerned.

    (And if the Chris-and-Chris movie never happens? Then Paramount will release The Wrath of Khan in 4k for streaming only, to coincide with the Tarantino movie, on the grounds that it's already another two years later and "everyone knows" steaming is the future anyway.)

    Studios in general are "just fine" with not having to press DVD or Blu-Ray discs for very much longer. And Star Trek isn't exactly seen to be in high demand. ENT was being prepped for high definition at the same time that Paramount didn't even consider producing Robert Wise' director's cut of The Motion Picture at anything higher than 480p. And they're fine letting that go rather than have to recreate the newer special effects in HD, let alone 4k.

    And Star Trek V... I don't think even a box set would justify having to create new effects for it, even at SD quality.
     
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  20. jaime

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    You forgot the part where you could either buy the directors cut of TMP on iTunes....or get it for cheaper by buying he original Cut in HD which has the directors cut as an extra anyway. Though to be fair, at least that favours us, the consumer.

    Corporations are so funny sometimes. I have a hard time who has less brains....Paramount or Sony.