Why did Spock not try to [spoilers]?

[USS KG5]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

This makes sense, but how did Spock know Scotty was at the outpost? Wasn't it Spock who came up to him and said, "Montgomery Scott?". He must have known something about the outpost.

He knew the man for 40-odd years is it too much to believe he simply RECOGNISED him?

It is ya know, a film.

 

[FanFanatic]

According to the original series, Vulcan has no moon.

 

[RoJoHen]

According to the original series, Vulcan has no moon.

And according to this movie, Vulcan's moon has no Vulcan.

 

[Classic Fan]

According to the original series, Vulcan has no moon.

According to the original series, Vulcan has no moon.

And according to this movie, Vulcan's moon has no Vulcan.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

According to the original series, Vulcan has no moon.

ok so it's the next planet along in the star system and it's nearby, perhaps on an elliptical orbit.

OR

The original series made a boo boo. It was the 60's, they made mistakes like this.

 

[cooleddie74]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Was that actually Vulcan that he saw, or just a mind meld depiction?
If is was a meld representation, then it is possible that there was nowhere to go, until kirk arrived with the location of enterprise.

I assumed Nero had a holographic subspace image of Vulcan's destruction transmitted to Spock's location on Delta Vega. Vulcan isn't THAT close to Delta Vega in any incarnation or interpretation of the Trek universe.

 

[FanFanatic]

According to the original series, Vulcan has no moon.

ok so it's the next planet along in the star system and it's nearby, perhaps on an elliptical orbit.

OR

The original series made a boo boo. It was the 60's, they made mistakes like this.

Perhaps too much 'LDS'?

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Was that actually Vulcan that he saw, or just a mind meld depiction?
If is was a meld representation, then it is possible that there was nowhere to go, until kirk arrived with the location of enterprise.

I assumed Nero had a holographic subspace image of Vulcan's destruction transmitted to Spock's location on Delta Vega. Vulcan isn't THAT close to Delta Vega in any incarnation or interpretation of the Trek universe.

Except [dun, dun, dun...] this one!

 

[cooleddie74]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Was that actually Vulcan that he saw, or just a mind meld depiction?
If is was a meld representation, then it is possible that there was nowhere to go, until kirk arrived with the location of enterprise.

I assumed Nero had a holographic subspace image of Vulcan's destruction transmitted to Spock's location on Delta Vega. Vulcan isn't THAT close to Delta Vega in any incarnation or interpretation of the Trek universe.

Except [dun, dun, dun...] this one!

I sure the f*** hope not. That'd be just stupid on infinite levels.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Was that actually Vulcan that he saw, or just a mind meld depiction?
If is was a meld representation, then it is possible that there was nowhere to go, until kirk arrived with the location of enterprise.

I assumed Nero had a holographic subspace image of Vulcan's destruction transmitted to Spock's location on Delta Vega. Vulcan isn't THAT close to Delta Vega in any incarnation or interpretation of the Trek universe.

Again, it's not the same Delta Vega from near the great barrier.

 

[Classic Fan]

Lol, boredome surfing, i dug up these:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Delta_Vega

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Delta_Vega_(Vulcan_system)

 

[cooleddie74]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Was that actually Vulcan that he saw, or just a mind meld depiction?
If is was a meld representation, then it is possible that there was nowhere to go, until kirk arrived with the location of enterprise.

I assumed Nero had a holographic subspace image of Vulcan's destruction transmitted to Spock's location on Delta Vega. Vulcan isn't THAT close to Delta Vega in any incarnation or interpretation of the Trek universe.

Again, it's not the same Delta Vega from near the great barrier.

Maybe. Maybe not. But J.J. and his writers didn't do anything to differentiate between the two if they ARE wholly separate worlds.

 

[FanFanatic]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Was that actually Vulcan that he saw, or just a mind meld depiction?
If is was a meld representation, then it is possible that there was nowhere to go, until kirk arrived with the location of enterprise.

I assumed Nero had a holographic subspace image of Vulcan's destruction transmitted to Spock's location on Delta Vega. Vulcan isn't THAT close to Delta Vega in any incarnation or interpretation of the Trek universe.

The holographic subspace image is a good idea. When Nero has Rabau on his ship, he uses small holographic images of the 'Jellyfish' and 'Ambassador Spock' when questioning him. The scene with Vulcan being destroyed, as viewed by Spock Prime does appear quite similar.

 

[Classic Fan]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

I assumed Nero had a holographic subspace image of Vulcan's destruction transmitted to Spock's location on Delta Vega. Vulcan isn't THAT close to Delta Vega in any incarnation or interpretation of the Trek universe.

Again, it's not the same Delta Vega from near the great barrier.

Maybe. Maybe not. But J.J. and his writers didn't do anything to differentiate between the two if they ARE wholly separate worlds.

Oooh, the plot thickens. And in our defence too.

 

[cooleddie74]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Again, it's not the same Delta Vega from near the great barrier.

Maybe. Maybe not. But J.J. and his writers didn't do anything to differentiate between the two if they ARE wholly separate worlds.

Oooh, the plot thickens. And in our defence too.

I stick with the subspace hologram image theory. Nero projected what the sensors on the Narada were witnessing to Delta Vega, materializing an image in the sky directly above Spock's exile site.

 

[Joker]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Since the movie shows us Nero picking up Spock as he exits the black hole, and doesn't make any effort to demonstrate any great deal of time passing between then and when Vulcan is popped, I think we can assume it happened very soon after Spock was deposited onto the surface, and that Spock hadn't been there long.

We can also assume that either Spock found out about the base after Vulcan was destroyed, or that he knew about it before, but didn't have time to do anything about it.

 

[skippyluvs]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

So, Spock is marooned on Delta Vega so that he can be witness to the destruction of vulcan. Why did he not head for the federation outpost, then using transwarp beaming simply beam himself, or scotty somewhere to warn the federation. Why do nothing?
Just curious if I missed something.

because Spock didn't know where on the planet he was or where the outpost was, only Kirk knew it's location because the escape pod told him where it was. So it wasn't until Spock and Kirk came together that Spock learnt about the outposts location.

Great explanation, to add to that also consider that once Nero had Spock he went ahead with destroying Vulcan immediately. There wouldn't have been enough time to warn the Federation either way, not to also mention that most of the Federation's ships were massing in the (can't remember) system.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Why did Spock not try to save vulcan?

Maybe. Maybe not. But J.J. and his writers didn't do anything to differentiate between the two if they ARE wholly separate worlds.

Oooh, the plot thickens. And in our defence too.

I stick with the subspace hologram image theory. Nero projected what the sensors on the Narada were witnessing to Delta Vega, materializing an image in the sky directly above Spock's exile site.

Why would the Enterprise leave Vulcan and then deposit Kirk on the Delta Vega at the galactic barrier? they kicked Kirk off more or less immediately after fleeing Vulcan. Anybody who tries to argue that the Delta Vega they were on was the one at the barrier and Nero sent a holographic projection cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Anticitizen]

Some points:

Spock was there at least long enough to somehow find a cave and a piece of wood, (?) and create fire. Maybe we can chalk this up to Nero being gracious in a weird villainous way. Sort of like a jailer giving a cigarette to an inmate. But if that isn't the case, then Spock's guilty of some pretty extreme negligence for not trekking to the outpost that he knew was there and trying to warn somebody.

TOS said Vulcan has no moon, but then in the original cut of TMP, we see a huge floating moon in the sky during the Kolinahr sequence. Fans (and novels, I believe) explained this away as Vulcan being a binary planet system, like Romulus and Remus... which isn't a bad idea, it would explain why Romulans took a shine to Romulus when they found it. I guess it's up to the viewer to decide whether the TMP scene is canon or not since the director's cut eliminated it.

The problem with the idea of Delta Vega being that close to Vulcan, of course, is Scotty's frustration at nobody bringing him food... Vulcan looked close enough for a simple shuttlecraft to resupply him.

Why'd Scotty leave his post, anyway?

 

[SGx]

I think that while he could have done something, it was implied that Spock had understood what he saw to be his failure, and knew that to go back and change it could have even worse consequences, start another alternate universe.

Older Spock seemed to be less conflicted in his emotions, and probably knew that it would be far better to accept his mistake responsibly and deal with it in himself, rather than just go back and change it. I suppose in the same way that if you break something, it's morally better to admit guilt than to make a hack attempt at putting it back together.

The problem with the idea of Delta Vega being that close to Vulcan, of course, is Scotty's frustration at nobody bringing him food... Vulcan looked close enough for a simple shuttlecraft to resupply him.

Why'd Scotty leave his post, anyway?

Like Scotty said, it was ridiculous that nobody had brought any supplies! I think he left because the only planet that could feasibly keep him had just ben destroyed.