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Countdown/Novels

^It does begin to sound a bit harpish... Some elaboration would be appreciated.

No one connected with Pocket has made any comments as to the quality or merit of Countdown, so saying you don't care what Pocket thinks of it is utterly nonsensical. Pocket doesn't think about it at all, at this point.
 
Well, they kind of have alittle bit already. They used of the name for the smooth headed Klingons in Blood Will Tell, the Myriad Universe title for The Last Generation, and the New Frontier comic.

True, but they're also free to go in a different direction. Blood Will Tell depicted the history of smooth & ridged Klingons' relations in a way that differs from the way novels such as Forged in Fire have depicted it -- and the name quch'Ha used in both works came from the Klingon Language Institute, so it wasn't a case of one work borrowing from the other. And there are aspects of D.C. Fontana's The Enterprise Experiment that are inconsistent with what earlier novels have established about the "Enterprise Incident" Romulan Commander, the Organians, the Preservers, etc. (It definitely disagrees with what The Buried Age asserted about Organians.)

See, this is the point I keep trying to get across. There's no absolute, uniform policy either way. Pocket and IDW are not required to be consistent with each other, but they're not forbidden to be either. It's decided on a case-by-case basis, depending on what's best for each particular work, or on the preferences of individual creators and editors.

And just to clarify in response to what JTK2099 has wrongly inferred: It's not a question of what one publisher "thinks of" the other's work. Pocket and IDW are doing the same kind of work, and there's no rivalry or hostility between them. It's just most practical and desirable for each publisher to have the freedom to make its own independent decisions, since they are separate entities with different editorial staffs, different publishing schedules, different storytelling approaches, and different (if overlapping) audiences. The two get along well enough that crossovers and homages can and do happen, but it's simply a matter of choice rather than obligation.
 
(Although I'm skeptical of Countdown's assertion that Geordi designed the Jellyfish. It doesn't look like a human design. With its ringlike propulsion components, it looks like a Vulcan design, a more advanced successor to the Vulcan ringships of ENT.)

Got no problems with Geordi deciding to tinker around with a design path outside of the one he spent his career in Starfleet dealing with. Maybe he has come up wth something that only works with the different dynamics that a vulcan-built warp-ring ship has versus the usual twin nacelle configuration.
 
Also, the film says it was designed for the Vulcan Science Academy, so maybe they commissioned him to do it to Vulcan specs.
 
Well, they kind of have alittle bit already. They used of the name for the smooth headed Klingons in Blood Will Tell,
Actually, both IDW and Pocket got the terms QuchHa' and HemQuch from the same source: the Klingon Language Institute.
 
I enjoyed Countdown except for Data. Infact, bringing Data back actually ruined it for me. I hope he isn't written into any new novel coming out.

The more I think about it, the more I start to actually get mad at it. I need to stop....
 
I dunno, I can see Data coming back, and in an interesting way even. Not a predictable thing, but something that'd be a necessity rather than a contrivance. If handled, like all ideas, it could work.

That said, I wouldn't lose my sleep if he didn't come back. But his presence didn't ruin COUNTDOWN for me - even if it were sorta superfluous after Picard came to the picture.
 
Well, they kind of have alittle bit already. They used of the name for the smooth headed Klingons in Blood Will Tell, the Myriad Universe title for The Last Generation, and the New Frontier comic.

True, but they're also free to go in a different direction. Blood Will Tell depicted the history of smooth & ridged Klingons' relations in a way that differs from the way novels such as Forged in Fire have depicted it -- and the name quch'Ha used in both works came from the Klingon Language Institute, so it wasn't a case of one work borrowing from the other. And there are aspects of D.C. Fontana's The Enterprise Experiment that are inconsistent with what earlier novels have established about the "Enterprise Incident" Romulan Commander, the Organians, the Preservers, etc. (It definitely disagrees with what The Buried Age asserted about Organians.)

See, this is the point I keep trying to get across. There's no absolute, uniform policy either way. Pocket and IDW are not required to be consistent with each other, but they're not forbidden to be either. It's decided on a case-by-case basis, depending on what's best for each particular work, or on the preferences of individual creators and editors.

And just to clarify in response to what JTK2099 has wrongly inferred: It's not a question of what one publisher "thinks of" the other's work. Pocket and IDW are doing the same kind of work, and there's no rivalry or hostility between them. It's just most practical and desirable for each publisher to have the freedom to make its own independent decisions, since they are separate entities with different editorial staffs, different publishing schedules, different storytelling approaches, and different (if overlapping) audiences. The two get along well enough that crossovers and homages can and do happen, but it's simply a matter of choice rather than obligation.
And honestly, I'm glad they are doing things this way. Because one of my biggest problems with the Star Wars Expanded Universe is that things are so connected that at times it can get really confusing, and annoying. Like when you're reading novel where half the plot is based off of something that happened in a comic book. I enjoy the occaisional references and stuff, like we get between the different series and books in Trek, but IMO SW takes it to far.

I actually do like most of the Star Wars stuff, that's just my one big complaint.
 
I enjoyed Countdown except for Data. Infact, bringing Data back actually ruined it for me. I hope he isn't written into any new novel coming out.

The more I think about it, the more I start to actually get mad at it. I need to stop....

Killing Data brought out my nerd rage. I don't care how stupid the story is, if Data's back, even if it's a Data from a nearly identical alternate reality, more's the better.
 
That's really not very feasible for any franchise with a TV show and a large number of novels/comics. Star Wars fandom is finding that out in a hurry with The Clone Wars being on the air.

And God created....the retcon!!!!

The way Star Wars has been doing it is the right way. Star Trek's been doing it the wrong way for years.

At least they seem to be trying to keep the novels consistent nowadays. Maybe in another 20 yrs or so we'll have a SW-like Expanded Universe for Star Trek.

I personally can't wait.
 
^Well, you've clearly missed the fundamental point of Star Trek, which is that different isn't automatically wrong. It's obnoxious and closed-minded to insist that something is "wrong" just because it doesn't fit your personal preference. The only thing that would be wrong is forcing all creators of fiction to do everything according to the same rigid formula.
 
^Well, you've clearly missed the fundamental point of Star Trek, which is that different isn't automatically wrong. It's obnoxious and closed-minded to insist that something is "wrong" just because it doesn't fit your personal preference. The only thing that would be wrong is forcing all creators of fiction to do everything according to the same rigid formula.
Agreed.
 
^Well, you've clearly missed the fundamental point of Star Trek, which is that different isn't automatically wrong. It's obnoxious and closed-minded to insist that something is "wrong" just because it doesn't fit your personal preference. The only thing that would be wrong is forcing all creators of fiction to do everything according to the same rigid formula.
Well said!
 
^Well, you've clearly missed the fundamental point of Star Trek, which is that different isn't automatically wrong. It's obnoxious and closed-minded to insist that something is "wrong" just because it doesn't fit your personal preference. The only thing that would be wrong is forcing all creators of fiction to do everything according to the same rigid formula.
Or it could be that Freman used "right" and "wrong" as shorthand for "the approach I prefer" and "the approach I don't," the way people do when discussing opinions, and your condescending explanation of how he missed the point of life, the universe, and everything is completely off base and not at all helpful.
 
I think that using "wrong" for "the approach I don't prefer" is a lot more condescending and insulting to others than anything I said.
 
Christopher, I'd be happy to introduce you to examples of "condescending" and "insulting" at Shore Leave if you'd like. Those are two areas of approach with which I have quite a bit of familiarity. :devil:
 
As long as Data comes back in the novels, I don't care. There's no mention in Countdown as to how long it takes for Data's mind to take over B4's body. But, looking back at the end of Nemesis, it's already happening with that song. So here's three cheers and a hope that one of the novelists will bring back Data.
 
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