Things nuTREK must avoid!!!
- Thread starter RobertScorpio
- Start date
The Borg were a flawed villian to begin with. In Q, Who they were built up as excellent villians, but the thing about the Borg is that logically, they'd always win. Every time our heroes won out against the Borg, be it on TNG or VOY, they got knocked down a notch.
I don't doubt that Borg handled properly could be sinister - no, horrifying - but Star Trek fans and tons of writers just aren't capable of taking them seriously anymore.
that's the fundamental flaw of star trek in the first place. the good guys always win- ie starfleet.
the result is no matter how much you talk up the enemy- the enemy will always lose. the klingon empire, the romulans, the Borg etc starfleet always emerges victorious- sometimes rather implausibly.
Bring back Balok! "Have some tranya! I hope you relish it as much as I!" And Clint Howard has to reprise the role! -- RR
If Klingons are dorky, than all of Star Trek is dorky. If the studio can remake something that many people regard as 1960s kitch, they certainly could do a decent job with Klingons.
Also, the average movie goer isn't going through their TNG DVD collection. They probably haven't seen or thought about a Klingon in 10 years.
There's really nothing wrong with Borg either, except it would be hard to top First Contact.
Also, the average movie goer isn't going through their TNG DVD collection. They probably haven't seen or thought about a Klingon in 10 years.
There's really nothing wrong with Borg either, except it would be hard to top First Contact.
I agree. But of course, a new story with Khan would be a new story. And there are only so many stories & villianous archetypes.
I suppose it could be explained away simply by Dynasty or House. You can see in TNG-DS9 that some Houses don't value the whole Honor/Mysticism thing as do others. And we already have equal precedent for there being two main branches of Klingons.
I think they need to avoid time travel. I know it's already a big plot element, but I don't think it should ever be used again. It was far to accessible in the original canon and leads to massive plot holes.
You can use time travel to fix anything. There's no real peril or tragedy when you can fix anything, and stories become less compelling. If you don't use time travel to fix something really bad, that doesn't make ANY sense. Someone destroys an entire planet... you have the ability to prevent it... and you don't? Why not?
I think if you're trying to create a environment where writers can churn out long series of compelling stories -- a new canon -- you need to leave time travel out of it.
You can use time travel to fix anything. There's no real peril or tragedy when you can fix anything, and stories become less compelling. If you don't use time travel to fix something really bad, that doesn't make ANY sense. Someone destroys an entire planet... you have the ability to prevent it... and you don't? Why not?
I think if you're trying to create a environment where writers can churn out long series of compelling stories -- a new canon -- you need to leave time travel out of it.
Actually, the purpose of a reboot is not just to tell new stories. As I've been told a bajillion times while advocating a reboot, new stories can always be told within the original coontinuity.
The purpose of a reboot is to change the way the stories are told. So bringing back Khan wouldn't be a problem. Telling "Space Seed" and WoK exactly the same way would be.
Other foes are fine because they're established as being on par with the Federation. The Romulans weren't given kilometers-wide battleships capable of slicing through defence fleets and the ability to tear apart any strategy.
The Borg were established as both an irresistable force and an immovable object. The Klingons, Romulans and Khan were not. It's one of those concepts that you have to water down if you want your characters alive at the end of the day.
Another thing that always bugged me about the original canon is the money-less society. I think they should stay away from that this time. I can't imagine how the UFP functions without some form of currency.
Disagreed. Bringing back Khan would be a problem because they've already used the character and used him well. New Stuff. That's what they should be doing
No more Holodeck stories ever.
By all means, use it as scenery, in which case, make it amazing scenery, but never again must the Holodeck failure result in anything but a blank screen.
'Oh no, the holodeck is broken'
'what should we do?'
'Dunno, play cards?'
The preposterous idea of a malfunctioning simulation being somehow dangerous is best left to rot on the compost heap of ideas.
Same with holographic lifeforms.
By all means, use it as scenery, in which case, make it amazing scenery, but never again must the Holodeck failure result in anything but a blank screen.
'Oh no, the holodeck is broken'
'what should we do?'
'Dunno, play cards?'
The preposterous idea of a malfunctioning simulation being somehow dangerous is best left to rot on the compost heap of ideas.
Same with holographic lifeforms.
Well, given that Kirk got command of the Enterprise with his learner's permit and Spock is boinking Uhura, I'm thinking they got the "New Stuff" angle covered. And being that I don't trust Abrams as far as I can throw him I'd rather he recycle stuff I know is good than risk having to watch "Star Trek: Lost Alias on the Fringe".
I'd have to completely disagree with you, what do you think this new movie showed us. That the guy kicking @$$ can also be like old trek's heroes. The Klingons can still be used, Just do the same thing that you did with the Romulans in Nu trek. The borg can also be used, why is it that because the borg were overused in VOY does not mean that the borg can never be used again. They are arguably the best Sci'fi villains ever.
Um, who are you disagreeing with?
The Borg are do-able, but they must be treated with respect. They should be unbeatable (Our Heroes can escape, but not defeat them, and even then escape should be very difficult) and assimilation must be permanent, NO EXCEPTIONS!
Also, I really dislike the notion of 23rd C Borg. Oh well maybe. Convince me, JJ.
The Borg are do-able, but they must be treated with respect. They should be unbeatable (Our Heroes can escape, but not defeat them, and even then escape should be very difficult) and assimilation must be permanent, NO EXCEPTIONS!
Also, I really dislike the notion of 23rd C Borg. Oh well maybe. Convince me, JJ.
I think the Borg are eminently redoable, but they cannot be re-hashed and they must be all but undefeatable. Kirk vs The Borg is just screaming to be done so long as its different, clever and visually interesting.
The way to bring the Borg into the picture: Old Spock knows about many threats out there in space and logically gets busy informing Starfleet about all of them. The Borg will inevitably expand to come into conflict with the Federation; they should be at the top of Spock's list.
The Borg gain strength by assimilating other cultures so the logical thing to do is hit them as early as possible, and hit them hard. They are presumably weaker now than they will be when Q tosses the Enterprise at them in a hundred years.
The amount of space to traverse would be an issue of course, but Spock also knows a lot of kewl 24th C tech, and can give Starfleet a helping hand.
So you have a sort-of 24th C Starfleet vs a 23rd C Borg. Sounds like a pretty even matchup, right? Well, we'll see.
The Borg gain strength by assimilating other cultures so the logical thing to do is hit them as early as possible, and hit them hard. They are presumably weaker now than they will be when Q tosses the Enterprise at them in a hundred years.
The amount of space to traverse would be an issue of course, but Spock also knows a lot of kewl 24th C tech, and can give Starfleet a helping hand.
So you have a sort-of 24th C Starfleet vs a 23rd C Borg. Sounds like a pretty even matchup, right? Well, we'll see.
Why would distance be an issue? Since "This isn't your father's Star Trek", why should the Borg be quartered in the same part of the galaxy as in "Daddy's" boring old Trek? Park 'em a couple of light-years outside of whatever now passes for the Neutral Zone or the Galactic Barrier or something.
Similar threads
