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Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Aide?

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Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

Maybe, but the first week or two is always the most irrational as far as the fanbase goes. Invariably, people cool down and their opinions of the film become much more nuanced. People who once thought the movie was absolutely good with no exception start to see more uneven aspects, and fanatical critics realize some of the merits of the film. I would implore everyone to try and reach back to how they felt about any film they really, really liked at first glance and see if their opinion became a little more sophisticated over time. As someone who is also heavily infested in the Star Wars fanbase, I can tell you for a fact that my first opinion of Episode 1 was much, much more positive than it later became upon subsequent viewings and deeper analysis, as well as where the prequels were going. I ask you to look back upon that time and the fan reactions, which were overwhelmingly positive for a while. Opinions -always- become more nuanced with time and thought.
 
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Fan starvation intoxication syndrome, people are so starved for anything trek they will eat up anything with at least a remotely good packaging, and be drunk off the high it brings for a period of time. Critical reception aside, I suspect the fans will eventually react like the SW fans eventually reacted to prequels. Emotions will cool and the enthusiasm will die down, and people will take an earnest look at the film. The DVD release will likely reaffirm this. Just consider this the "Honeymoon" period, things will inevitably balance out within the fandom.

There's some of that going on, definitely. But no one who isn't already doing it is going to start carrying on about raped childhoods and "TEH CANON!!1".

The general consensus on this one's gonna settle somewhere in between.
 
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Indeed we can. However, it's been obvious for some time now that you have nothing to stand on.

J.

And I don't need to go on, as I've resolved the issue more simply. ;)

Agreed. I'll be stopping here as well before it becomes an exercise in futility.


J.
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

There's some of that going on, definitely. But no one who isn't already doing it is going to start carrying on about raped childhoods and "TEH CANON!!1".

No, the environmental shift is never that drastic. People will likely just realize the shortcomings of the film, of which there have to be a few, nearly every movie has some.
 
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I don't understand how long time fans can view this latest movie and NOT be insulted. Seriously. Because they had a cameo of a tribble, we're expected to swoon? There wasn't even a hint of moral understory. Especially after all the hype, I was completely depressed after seeing it.


They were serving Kool Aid? damn. I got Dr. Pepper.

Sorry dude, but I'm a very long time Trek fan and I wasn't in the least disappointed with the movie. In fact I've seen it 3 times already.


Different era's different ideals. I look forward to many sequels.
 
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I don't understand how long time fans can view this latest movie and NOT be insulted. Seriously. Because they had a cameo of a tribble, we're expected to swoon? There wasn't even a hint of moral understory. Especially after all the hype, I was completely depressed after seeing it.

I posted a review of my own on my blog: http://thirdcathode.blogspot.com/2009/05/movie-review-star-trek-2009.html

Since nearly everyone else seems to have loved the movie, I would like to hear from fans who had negative reactions as I did - why did no one else find the film insulting?


While I enjoyed the film far more than you did (4 out of 5 stars) I agree with a few of your points.

I think people are just so thrilled to have Star Trek back and doing so well they are willing to overlook some of the flaws in this film.

Don't get me wrong, it's a really fun popcorn flick, but the best of Star Trek aims a little higher.
 
Re: Come on people - am I the only fan who can't drink Abrams' Cool Ai

what did you think a rebooted star trek would be the same ol.Of course its gonna be different and saying its dumbed down to gain mass appeal just maybe means lets take away some sometimes geeky elements that have turned some people away from star trek and comprimise with some fresh ideas so everyone can love it.Then star trek can get the attention it deserves.We should be thankfull that there doing more trek films.
 
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I didn't think it was that great of a movie. But I don't like painfully loud beatings and explosions. It was an action movie that felt a lot like other Trek movies, not as much like the shows (which admittedly had action, of course). I just found out Abrams was involved in Mission Impossible flicks and Transformers. So that's what we got, only with Trek characters.

It was better than it could have been; not as Trek-ish as it could have been. Let's see the next one, now that the characters are on board and ugly bad guy #37 or whatever has been defeated. Maybe some intelligence will surface. I've got the DVD's of the series, so whatever. . . .
 
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Just popping in to say that I've had at least 6 non-Trekkie people go see the movie with me, and the worst review I've gotten was, "It was ok." And that was only one person. Everyone else loved it, and all of these people only went because I talked them into it. Are these unbiased, unhyped reviewers kool-aid drinkers as well, or is it conceivable that people really are enjoying the movie?!? :eek:
 
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It had themes, but people were looking to bash it for this reason before the first trailer.

The Star Trek movies have never been great on morale under story, lets be honest. The best ones are because of straight up action, TWoK and FC. Now Star Trek.
 
No, you are not the only one, I found the

movie very insulting to me as a Star Trek fan! Basically, they did a reboot,and used Star Trek's "time travel" element to explain
 
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If people are looking to be insulted, they will be insulted by almost anything.
 
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I enjoyed the movie immensely. I'm 35 and don't get excited about movies that way I may have when I was 18 or younger. I just go in sit down etc. etc. I don't think I'll somehow like it less when I see it again.

Oh and thinking that I, or anyone else is taking the "New Trek Kool-Aid" is just an easy way for the poster to feel smug. It's just not true. If it helps you to feel correct or different or rebelious, then that's sort of sad.
 
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movie very insulting to me as a Star Trek fan! Basically, they did a reboot,and used Star Trek's "time travel" element to explain

I do not see the logic in your dislike for this film; :vulcan: however, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. Yes, it is a reboot. Yes, it does use time travel as an element to justify it. Would you have preferred just a reboot with no explanation or justification whatsoever? I mean, young Spock and old Spock themselves acknowledged that their timeline had already been altered as a result of Nero's actions (George Kirk dying and not seeing Jim graduate from Starfleet, the destruction of Vulcan leading to the near extinction of the race).
 
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I'll admit the idea behind this movie had to grow on me in the months leading up to release, but I decided to go in looking for a solidly entertaining Trek movie.

It was definitely different, but I never felt like I wasn't watching Star Trek. I found myself surprised by the level of reverence the movie had for Trek's history and heritage, actually. The production design, the musical cues, the dialogue--it all connected back to the other incarnations of Trek in a way that felt very natural and respectful.

I haven't seen anyone claim the movie was perfect--of course it isn't. It's not fine cinema, and that's never been Trek's aspiration. But the franchise had become very tired, repetitive, and safe, and in my opinion this movie has shaken things up considerably. It's made me interested in these characters and the universe they inhabit, again. I'm hoping the next movie can be even better, and build on what was established here.
 
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I don't understand how long time fans can view this latest movie and NOT be insulted.
Because I enjoyed the film. It had humor, drama, action and a story of perseverance against near impossible odds. Optimism, courage, teamwork won the day. The film made me feel a surge of optimism and happiness with a Trek film I haven't felt in...well, a damn long time.

Ultimately, this is a film. I can not like a film without being insulted by it. When I saw "Batman & Robin" I hated it, but I never felt "insulted" by it. Even if I had walked away hating this film, I wouldn't have felt insulted by it, I would have felt sad that Paramount didn't get it "right" again (granted by my personal standards in this hypothetical).
 
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I don't understand how long time fans can view this latest movie and NOT be insulted. Seriously. Because they had a cameo of a tribble, we're expected to swoon? There wasn't even a hint of moral understory. Especially after all the hype, I was completely depressed after seeing it.

I posted a review of my own on my blog: http://thirdcathode.blogspot.com/2009/05/movie-review-star-trek-2009.html

Since nearly everyone else seems to have loved the movie, I would like to hear from fans who had negative reactions as I did - why did no one else find the film insulting?
I agree with you!
 
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