Oh sorry, I missed the episode where Kirk screamed "I am 100 % Heterosexual"
And I'm not sure canon can apply to the AbramVerse
Should Kirk be bisexual?
- Thread starter MostlyHarmless1
- Start date
- Status
Oh sorry, I missed the episode where Kirk screamed "I am 100 % Heterosexual"
And I'm not sure canon can apply to the AbramVerse
S
Stone_Cold_Sisko
Guest
Yes, Kirk should be bi.
I'm serious. Yes he should. Just for shits and giggles, to see out the "outrage".
I'm serious. Yes he should. Just for shits and giggles, to see out the "outrage".
To go directly against my previous post: The absence of his father in his life, combined with no other really good father figure (abusive drunk uncle), and an absent mother that he could feel free to idolize as more perfect than he would have seen her to be had she actually been around.... or some other psychobabble. And poof, he's got gay tendencies.
I still don't think so, though.
*flame shields up*
I've always wondered: for all of Riker's bravado and Kirk-like swagger, and the famed Riker/Troi enduring romance, I picture him as pretty close to Deputy Jones from Reno 911! in terms of sex life. Sure, popular with the ladies, smooth where it counts, and no one doubts his machismo, but once in a while, just once in a while...BAM! he's just done a dude.
I don't know why (so don't ask me to explain), but it seemed to me that Will Riker seemed more sexually adventurous and... expressive... than Kirk. Heck, in Season 1, we see Riker relaxing to two holographic women in togas. C'mon now.
I've always wondered: for all of Riker's bravado and Kirk-like swagger, and the famed Riker/Troi enduring romance, I picture him as pretty close to Deputy Jones from Reno 911! in terms of sex life. Sure, popular with the ladies, smooth where it counts, and no one doubts his machismo, but once in a while, just once in a while...BAM! he's just done a dude.
I don't know why (so don't ask me to explain), but it seemed to me that Will Riker seemed more sexually adventurous and... expressive... than Kirk. Heck, in Season 1, we see Riker relaxing to two holographic women in togas. C'mon now.
It's okay, I knew I wasn't being entirely fair with that reply
Kirk is a classic testosterone womanizer and man's man. It would be like doing a remake of "Happy Days" and having the Fonz switching teams-- it just doesn't fit what we know about an already well established character. Seeing as how sexual attraction is widely considered to be an innate, biological quality-- the idea that a Kirk "without a father" would somehow be bisexual is insulting to the bi community.
I'm sure if the internets existed in 1969 people would have been saying a similar vein of foundationless papp.
I'd hope to god by the 23rd century we have a more evolved sensibility about these things.
You know what I think's weird? That a lot of people think it's more okay for Kirk to kiss a different species, an alien, than a man.
Also the movies are a different venue then the TV shows. If it was a TV show I'd welcome an openly gay character. The TV shows were all about cutting edge social commentary. The movies, for the most part, tended to be about cool explosions and one-liners. This movie is about as "Pure Trek" as any of the other films, again, for the most part. So trying to explore homosexuality in a summer popcorn film would kind of be like AC/DC doing a classic music album.
Why? Why does any character need to be gay? That's stupid and does nothing to help develop the universe of Star Trek. One's sexual preference doesn't need to be thrust upon the world.
Besides, Kirk is a ladies man, not some Kansas City ******.
You're making this a political issue when this is a character issue. You need to remember that for most straight men, the idea of man kissing another man is repugnant; whether or not that's a social reaction is irrelevant-- it's still a reaction.
Kirk is a classic testosterone womanizer and man's man. It would be like doing a remake of "Happy Days" and having the Fonz switching teams-- it just doesn't fit what we know about an already well established character. Seeing as how sexual attraction is widely considered to be an innate, biological quality-- the idea that a Kirk "without a father" would somehow be bisexual is insulting to the bi community.
Hey! There's nothing wrong with Kansas City.
Kirk Bi??? Hell No. I'd rather see him with farm animals -- female ones, that is. 
Canon is in perception. I gaffiated a decade or two, and when I came back and watched a few episodes, it seemed so obvious that Kirk and Spock could easily be lovers. The leaning, the flirting banter, the wise looks - it doesn't have to be part of canon (mentioned by Paramount in this case) to be inferred. Of course, this was a discussion that turned into many huge and ugly fights back in the olden days.
I can see it either way - though I have to say I always preferred the thought of Spock unattached.
On the other hand, the Nyota stuff will be great to follow in this Universe - I really like their interactions in the movie. And Spock Prime is still somewhere out there in the TOS Pruniverse.
It's okay, I knew I wasn't being entirely fair with that reply
Kirk is a classic testosterone womanizer and man's man. It would be like doing a remake of "Happy Days" and having the Fonz switching teams-- it just doesn't fit what we know about an already well established character. Seeing as how sexual attraction is widely considered to be an innate, biological quality-- the idea that a Kirk "without a father" would somehow be bisexual is insulting to the bi community.
I agree, the nurture argument is unhelpful and unnecessary.
Some sexperts say that hardly anyone on earth is 100 % either way, we're all somewhere in the middle. How far really is determined more by your society and your own personality. I live in a place where I would never tell most people I bat for both teams. I also have two loving parents. So that maths doesn't work out.
The hard facts of life are this: It was the 60's. In No way possible could Kirk ever be Bi. But he could be sexually adventurous and exploratory. Now. Transpose Star Trek to the modern day (and pardon me if that's what I thought the point of this film is) and one can see no reason Jim Kirk wouldn't if it was hot enough.
I'll ask again, is there any point to Trek (I know it was awesome, I truly loved it), but is ther any reason to do any more if they don't have the balls to try new things, be a bit different, boldly bloody go, man.
The same reason that Roddenberry fought the studio to have a black woman and an asian as officers, a diverse crew that included women who actually had jobs in all areas - as well as a demonic looking alien who commented on human foibles.
I'd actually like to see Sulu openly gay as well - think of what that could do for gay tweens and teens. Reminds me of the story Whoopi told about running to get her family shouthing "C'mere! There's a black lady on tv and she ain't no maid!"
You're missing the point.
I wouldn't want to see that film either.
Plato's Stepchildrenisn't about The Kiss.
Therefore it says more about the observer than the film if he comes away thinking of Star Trek XII as "the gay one".
I'm also not talking about Kirk being gay, having a relationship or having it referenced or commented on.
All I'm talkin about is having perhaps a comedic scene where it's revealed he's been to bed with both a woman and a man (and/or alien of indeterminate gender). A bit of fun 23rd Century ambiguity. Having fun with people's perceptions
That's what I'm talking about eh. Someone to look up to.
Though I think having Sulu be gay would be lame and offensive to Takei. He played Sulu. He isn't Sulu. Sulu has a daughter.
And it'd be equally offensive if they introduced Ensign Homo #1, the token LGBT character. Actually no, they'd probably bring in a hot, skantily clad lesbian.
Cuz male gays...ew! Women gays...hawt.
That's why I picked Kirk. Only he and maybe Chekov are the only ones whose sexualities could be a little fun to play around with Especially Kirk because of his reputation.
I didn't pick him at random. None of the other regulars would suit it.
- Status
