Ryan Church
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Of course, I'm sure you don't agree with what Dennis was actually trying to do there. That was yet another of his trademark "snide attack" efforts. You don't have to look hard to figure that out... just notice the screen name of the poster he's responding to. Dennis is the master of that sort of thing - the attack that he can claim isn't an attack, yet which is obvious to everyone as an attack.OMG I agree with Dennis on something..AARGH!!
Yes. And shall continue to do so.
It resembles the original Enterprise in the same way that some of my childhood drawings, made when I was in grade school, resembled the Enterprise... the general configuration was right (disk, nacelles, secondary hull, all in roughly the right place), but the proportions and details are just awkward and ungainly. It looks ok when you're not seeing it too closely... or when you're seeing specific details VERY closely... but IMHO doesn't stand up to a clear, detailed, all-over viewing. Because you've hit it on the head... it's almost like a caricature of the Enterprise... recognizable, but overdone. Lacking in the subtlety that a believable design needs. JJ wanted a 1950s hot rod, and that's what he got.
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Of course, I'm sure you don't agree with what Dennis was actually trying to do there. That was yet another of his trademark "snide attack" efforts. You don't have to look hard to figure that out... just notice the screen name of the poster he's responding to. Dennis is the master of that sort of thing - the attack that he can claim isn't an attack, yet which is obvious to everyone as an attack.OMG I agree with Dennis on something..
I dislike the Ent E, in that I agree with Dennis.
I do not share his opinion about the rebootprise, that is IMO a horrible travesty, something that gets created by a booze induced nightmare just to haunt you.
As for attacks, I don't really care, all blah blah, I have my own opinion, if you don't like it then tough luck.
However: I don't want to demonize the designer, he had a job to do and thats that, he makes stuff that either gets approved or not JJ approved that "thing" and thats what we've got.
Another little thing, there are those who like the rebootprise and put a lot of effort in it and speculation and a 3D model to boot like Madman to them, well go ahead, its fun.
However there are those who do NOT like the new movie nor the artwork and they also are entitled to have their opinion about it and you will have to accept that end of discussion.
Now all be nice, play nice, discus nice, I've got a good few glasses of wine inside my blood stream, this keyboard hates me and its late.
Yep, and it's sad that the JJprise design went that route, given the original and the refit didn't.
uh, technically a nice painting tho.
Personally, I cant wait to see the other concept art for Star Trek that he did when it's put on his site.
OMG I agree with Dennis on something..
It's like motion sickness. Have a lie down and it'll pass.
I "claim" nothing - and never do. I guess it would be easier on you if I stooped to argue, but I don't care about that either.
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I "claim" nothing - and never do. I guess it would be easier on you if I stooped to argue, but I don't care about that either.
Well you're certainly attacking John Eaves' design skills.
I "claim" nothing - and never do. I guess it would be easier on you if I stooped to argue, but I don't care about that either.
Well you're certainly attacking John Eaves' design skills.
Oh, he's a champ if you think that everything should have as many pointy bits on it as possible.
Seriously he's my least favorite Trek designer, and not by just a little bit. I suppose it's ironic, or something, that he was about the only artist from recent Trek history who worked on the new Star Trek movie. And obviously he's more than good enough to make a living at this, which very few Internet "critics" of anything, including myself, are.
Oh, he's a champ if you think that everything should have as many pointy bits on it as possible.
He's also a great writer if you think every sentence should use strings of commas in random places.
Oh, he's a champ if you think that everything should have as many pointy bits on it as possible.
He's also a great writer if you think every sentence should use strings of commas in random places.
Well, I certainly haven't grown more fond of him by reading his blog, but not necessarily because of his grammar.
Wow! I like thisversion of the 2009 Enterprise a lot more than the one in the film. It's a lot more consistent with itself, for one thing, and has more in common with the original.
I just want to shove the secondary hull back a couple dozen meters and beef it up a bit.
I just want to shove the secondary hull back a couple dozen meters and beef it up a bit.
Truthfully, I think the reaction to the new design would have been much more positive if this painting had been the first image released. The proportions are closer to the original: the saucer is smaller, the neck taller, pylons straighter. Then again, once the still of the final film model would be released, people would probably be even more pissed that it doesn't look like the painting.
I like the Enterprise E
That's quite pretty. I think I actually like it better than the final version.
Absolutely. Although, in fairness, after seeing the movie last night, I have to say that the overall design of the ship probably made little difference, because of the ADHD-inspired editing and camera work that never gave one the chance to really get a good look at the ship - or anything, really. And from that standpoint, the new design is probably a better choice, because while taken as a whole, it doesn't really come together very well (IMO and others), its individual, contextless elements work very well onscreen in extreme close-ups and rapidfire cuts. The grace and simplicity of the original design look great as a whole picture, but that simplicity becomes simplistic with the sort of cinematography and editing used in JJTrek. So, final opinion: the original is still the superior design, but the new one is the better choice for this movie.
I look at that painting and what I see is a cross between the original Enterprise and the (series version) Seaview. What is really interesting is that it looks more like what Probert had suggested in the way of alterations to our first look at the ship last year.
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