Ryan Church
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Pretty! Thanks. 
Nice painting - Church's usual skill and vision are here in spades - but it still looks wrong to me, and one reason finally popped out at me in that painting (two, actually): the rearrangement of the nacelles and pylons places the nacelles so close to the saucer that, realistically, it makes no visual sense for them to be anchored to the secondary hull at all. In the course of redesigning the ship, I think I could accept more readily having the nacelles sweeping off the saucer, with the secondary hull either eliminated or made to appear functionally different and not the 'parent' of the nacelles. Sorry, but to my eyes, the original design made more mechanical sense at a glance, where this one is so 'artsy' that my mind says, "Yeah, but no engineer would ever do that."
The other thing that continues to bug me is the relative similarity in both size and design of the secondary hull and the nacelles - it's like putting drag slicks on a Yugo; again, there's no visual sense that something vital is happening in the secondary hull for which the nacelles are needed.
It's amazing how, when it comes down to it, it's really just proportions and adjustments, but to my eye, they really kill the reality of it.
The other thing that continues to bug me is the relative similarity in both size and design of the secondary hull and the nacelles - it's like putting drag slicks on a Yugo; again, there's no visual sense that something vital is happening in the secondary hull for which the nacelles are needed.
It's amazing how, when it comes down to it, it's really just proportions and adjustments, but to my eye, they really kill the reality of it.
No engineer would ever do 90% of the shit that happens in the Trek universe. Nothing new here.
Oooooooooh. Ryan's work is awesome. 
Ryan's work is awesome. 
I have had it up to my eyeballs with that excuse.
Just because the guys in the past did some off-the-wall things, that justifies these clowns going even further off the map? Puh-lease...
It's a gripe about the proximity of one piece of nonsense technology to another. It's not even a matter of engineering but aesthetics.
Come back with your complaint when they do something that deserves it, like have humans breathe in a vacuum or something.
Yes, it does justify it. Because you can't complain that this ship looks like nothing an actual engineer would build if the same could be said of 90% of past Trek stuff. You are free to not like it, but using double standards is a bit weak.
Meh. The painting itself does nothing for me.
Exactly so.
The nuTrek Enterprise is quite beautiful in the film. Interesting that Church's concept painting is essentially little more than a sculptured version of the TOS ship, retaining stuff like the copper "radar dish."
You know, I just realized this painting is the source of the odd Playmates Enterprise prototype that leaked out a while back. It has the black triangles on the saucer rim, gold dish, red bussards, narrower nacelles and straight pylons with the angled backs. As we know that ILM was tasked with fleshing out the design, I wonder how far the VFX team got with the version that was closer to this before it moved in the direction of the final design.
Also, that painting totally looks like an ilustration of the Enterprise as it might have been done for the cover of a '50s pulp scifi magazine. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Also, that painting totally looks like an ilustration of the Enterprise as it might have been done for the cover of a '50s pulp scifi magazine. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Great catch on the prototype... I'd missed that, but on second glance, I'm convinced that you're correct. I'm sure that we'll eventually get some sort of "Art of St-09" book which will show all the various iterations... hopefully even with Abrams' notes on why they were rejected or altered, much as we saw some of Roddenberry's with M.J's design process. Should give some interesting insights and start some "exciting" discussions!
Re: it looking like a cover piece from "Fantastic Stories" or it's ilk... yeah, that's very much the impression I've had of the redesigned ship from the first time I saw it. That is to say, it's far more "stylized" than it is "functionalized," and it look less "real" than the original ship. I think this might be a great future "Trek Art" forum project... "Do a '50s Pulp Sci-fi cover using the JJ-Prise."
Yes.
You're right - actually, when you put it that way I like the painting even better.
I like this art work but I hate the Edselprise!
By remarkable coincidence, I think the Enterprise E is a hideous collection of mismatched design cues lifted from better sources and assembled with Victor Frankenstein's aesthetic sense.
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