Star Trek and IDIC

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Finally saw "Star Trek" and loved it, despite some flaws. Then I come back to this board and everyone is being DICs to each other.

It's okay to love the movie, hate the movie, or anything in between.

It's okay to think the new movie is Star Trek, or not Star Trek, or anything in between.

The beauty of the have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too cheat of the movie is that it works both ways. The old stuff still exists. Or not. The old is connected to the new. Or not. The new stuff is an alternate universe. Or not. So you can spin it anyway you want.

But don't be IDIC.

If you loved the movie, don't be IDIC.

If you hated the movie, don't be IDIC.

We finally got a big hit movie, and instead of basking in the glow or just letting it go and moving on, here we are being the same DICs to each other that we have been for forty years. Not cool.

Don't be IDIC.

 

[Borgminister]

I concur with the sentiment, although I realize it has to be tough when you are in the tiniest of minorities and frustrated as hell with what you perceive to be a betrayal. I don't understand those feelings, but I can understand them.

 

[Amaris]

I concur with the sentiment, although I realize it has to be tough when you are in the tiniest of minorities and frustrated as hell with what you perceive to be a betrayal. I don't understand those feelings, but I can understand them.

*falls down a flight of stairs*


J.

 

[Borgminister]

I concur with the sentiment, although I realize it has to be tough when you are in the tiniest of minorities and frustrated as hell with what you perceive to be a betrayal. I don't understand those feelings, but I can understand them.

*falls down a flight of stairs*


J.

Oh jeez, I'm getting tired. Either that or I'm getting tired.



How about "I don't understand those feelings, but I can respect them."

Ambles to the fridge for another malt beverage...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The beauty of the have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too cheat of the movie is that it works both ways. The old stuff still exists. Or not. The old is connected to the new. Or not. The new stuff is an alternate universe. Or not. So you can spin it anyway you want.

Sure. The idea that folks who like the movie are "choosing against" TOS - even if they prefer the new version - is pretty silly. I still like oldTrek just fine...though some of it looks a little threadbare by comparison right now. SCI-FI Channel had a Trek marathon on toward the end of the week. Watching a bit of TNG after the movie was...well, a study in contrasts. My reaction to the TOS episodes hasn't changed at all (unlikely at this point anyway, since they're stored pretty indeliably on my cranial hard drive by this time) -the good ones are just as good, and the bad ones...well, they couldn't have been made any worse by a movie.

 

[Yminale]

No offense but ST is dead and I'm suppose to be happy about it. What happen to Gene Rodenberry's vision of a Utopian future? What about ST's ability to not only entertain but to provoke serious thought? nuTrek is just about bunch of hot young actors spewing hip cynicism while being surrounded by special effects. All nuTrek did was collect every cliche and misconception ST has collected over the years and thrown them on the screen. Honestly is any child going to watch nuTrek and be inspired to be an astronaut or physcist or an astromer. More likely they'lll be entertained for 2 hours and then go play their Xbox360 or surf for porn.

 

[Captain Mike]

No offense but ST is dead and I'm suppose to be happy about it. What happen to Gene Rodenberry's vision of a Utopian future? What about ST's ability to not only entertain but to provoke serious thought? nuTrek is just about bunch of hot young actors spewing hip cynicism while being surrounded by special effects. All nuTrek did was collect every cliche and misconception ST has collected over the years and thrown them on the screen. Honestly is any child going to watch nuTrek and be inspired to be an astronaut or physcist or an astromer. More likely they'lll be entertained for 2 hours and then go play their Xbox360 or surf for porn.

Hells Bells!!! From what I have seen from some of the posters and thier posts, who are in favor of "NuTrek" on this board I would say the latter!....

 

[USS Gettysburg]

No offense but ST is dead and I'm suppose to be happy about it. What happen to Gene Rodenberry's vision of a Utopian future? What about ST's ability to not only entertain but to provoke serious thought? nuTrek is just about bunch of hot young actors spewing hip cynicism while being surrounded by special effects. All nuTrek did was collect every cliche and misconception ST has collected over the years and thrown them on the screen. Honestly is any child going to watch nuTrek and be inspired to be an astronaut or physcist or an astromer. More likely they'lll be entertained for 2 hours and then go play their Xbox360 or surf for porn.

Yikes. Why do have to have everything be "nu!"

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Why do we have to all everything "nu!"

Indeed, "nuTrek" doesn't make any sense, because "nu" stands for "new" and the movie isn't new anymore, it's already a few days old!

I think oldTrek is far more logical, since the previous Star Trek movies and series are older then the new movie. And they always will be (barring unforseen incursions in to our spacetime ).

 

[Butters]

No offense but ST is dead and I'm suppose to be happy about it. What happen to Gene Rodenberry's vision of a Utopian future? What about ST's ability to not only entertain but to provoke serious thought? nuTrek is just about bunch of hot young actors spewing hip cynicism while being surrounded by special effects. All nuTrek did was collect every cliche and misconception ST has collected over the years and thrown them on the screen. Honestly is any child going to watch nuTrek and be inspired to be an astronaut or physcist or an astromer. More likely they'lll be entertained for 2 hours and then go play their Xbox360 or surf for porn.

It didn't gather every misconception. I noticed quasi intellectualism was mssing from the film. Literary name dropping and monochrome morality provokes serious thought? I keep hearing that Star Trek is somehow elevated above every other form of entertainment when in reality thats just bollocks. If Roddenbury could have got a pair of tits past the censors he would have done.

Were you inspired enough by TOS to become a physcist or astronomer? Who cares anyway, for most teenagers though, 2hrs of entertainment and surfing for porn is a night well spent. Why is that a bad thing? Why does Trek have to be life affirming?

 

[Roshi]

Trivia:

The IDIC symbol could be seen at the bottom of the "learning half spheres"...

 

[The Doctor]

No offense but ST is dead and I'm suppose to be happy about it. What happen to Gene Rodenberry's vision of a Utopian future? What about ST's ability to not only entertain but to provoke serious thought? nuTrek is just about bunch of hot young actors spewing hip cynicism while being surrounded by special effects. All nuTrek did was collect every cliche and misconception ST has collected over the years and thrown them on the screen. Honestly is any child going to watch nuTrek and be inspired to be an astronaut or physcist or an astromer. More likely they'lll be entertained for 2 hours and then go play their Xbox360 or surf for porn.

Have you seen the movie?

I'm cool if you didn't like it. The plot was fast-and-loose with the details and there were more than a few huge circumstantial leaps necessary to make it all work, but there wasn't even a hint of cynicism in the whole affair.

If anything, I was shocked at how optimistic the movie was. In an age where more nihilistic movies and television are du jour, it was refreshing to see something so unabashedly hopeful.

 

[The Tone]

OldSpock knuTrek that nuSpock didn't no and that's nuTrek 2.

 

[USS Gettysburg]

If you loved the movie, don't be IDIC.

If you hated the movie, don't be IDIC.

Don't be IDIC.

Totally Agree.

 

[USS Gettysburg]

Why do we have to all everything "nu!".

I meant what I said and said what I meant. But, what the hell did I say? I fixed it, but thanks for catching my drift.

 

[Jeri]

Finally saw "Star Trek" and loved it, despite some flaws. Then I come back to this board and everyone is being DICs to each other...Don't be IDIC.

A lesson you apparently learned the hard way, from what I recall of you bashing your head against brick walls over the years. People have to learn on their own, unfortunately. They can't learn from someone else's experience.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Finally saw "Star Trek" and loved it, despite some flaws. Then I come back to this board and everyone is being DICs to each other...Don't be IDIC.

A lesson you apparently learned the hard way, from what I recall of you bashing your head against brick walls over the years. People have to learn on their own, unfortunately. They can't learn from someone else's experience.

Someone sounds like they are considering being IDIC. Reconsider.

 

[Jeri]

... Reconsider.

Not necessary. I loved the movie and agree with the topic post. If I didn't, though, I wouldn't take that advice from you in particular.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

No offense but ST is dead and I'm suppose to be happy about it.

The whole point of my post is that you don't have to be anything. If you want to be happy, be happy. If you want to be sad, be sad.

But it works both ways. The people who are so giddy about the new movie need to not be IDIC to you for not liking it.

And you need to not be IDIC by having a chip on your shoulder or feeling like some sort of victim because you don't love the flavor of the month.

What happen to Gene Rodenberry's vision of a Utopian future?

Gene's vision of a Utopian future didn't really kick in until TNG, and sadly, the more 'perfect' the world got, the more devoid of drama it became.

Kirk was forcing Starfleet's manifest destiny down everybody's throat through most of TOS.

What about ST's ability to not only entertain but to provoke serious thought?

When it comes to the Star Trek movies, I think they all placed more emphasis on the romp than on the provocation of serious thought. Movies are a diferent animal, especially summer movies. Get in, dazzle them, and get out. I think this new movie does that better than any of them. Does that make it a better movie? Not really. But as a piece of fun summer entertainment, it's damn near perfect.

nuTrek is just about bunch of hot young actors spewing hip cynicism while being surrounded by special effects.

Most of our favorite Star Trek actors were young and hot once, and whatever language they used was what was considered at least relatively hip for the time.

It's actually sort of creepy when you see these young kids at their stations for the first time in 'Star Trek' and then remember that we saw them all as old men, still sitting at exactly those same stations. Best of the best, or dead-end job?

All nuTrek did was collect every cliche and misconception ST has collected over the years and thrown them on the screen.

That's fair. Although, you could just as easily say that it crystallized Star Trek into the best of the sum of its parts. It's a glass half empty or half full perspective.

Honestly is any child going to watch nuTrek and be inspired to be an astronaut or physcist or an astromer.

Probably not. But how many people watched them Search for Spock or look for God or fight the Borg and say, "I have suddenly become inspired to be a physicist!" Script doctor, maybe.

Probably not. More likely they'lll be entertained for 2 hours and then go play their Xbox360 or surf for porn.

Possibly. But for what it was intended to do, which is take a tired old franchise and find a way to use it to distract people from their Xbox360 and porn long enough to make a profit, mission accomplished.

You can place a value judgment if you like, or not.

But from where I'm sitting, the movie did exactly what it attempted to do.

There's actually a fairly simplistic message in the movie that says: "Quit your self-destructive behaviors. Apply yourself and you can do great things. There's a world of adventure and discovery out there. Get off your ass and fulfill your destiny."

If even 10% of the movie-going audience takes that message to heart, then fuck the physicists.

 

[Dar70]

I actually think most here are being pretty cool. There are a few yes that are being jerks.