What's keeping me out of the theatre....

[Vance]

I love hearing this argument, mainly because I'm nineteen.

I'm not saying it's a legitimate argument, just one that I see a lot of recently, and certainly not just in Star Trek. Heck, even something as uber-geeky and niche as Dungeons and Dragons is going through that right now.

Really, the only real difference between the target of this film and the other ten films is that the upper management seriously committed to trying something new to get it,

And doing something 'new' was never a problem. It was clear that the 'last gen' run was well and good out of steam, and that the blood needed to be changed. The problem was (and is) the sheer hostility that so many people involved had towards other aspects of the franchise. The fact that, for so long, so many proponents of this movie rather openly shared that view, and felt the need to 'defend' the movie by blasting TOS ( in particular ) certainly doesn't help things.

 

[Vance]

Why do you care about the other people who see the movie? See it for the entertainment itself. Don't think about what other people go to see it. You can be 100% certain to go to the movie and no one will be watching out for you.

Like I said, it's more the hassle and expense of getting to the theatre. I'm too keenly aware of how these fandoms can act, particularly in opening weekends. So, I was on the fence about it.. but couple that with the 'rude kids' that are en masse around here, I'll give it a pass for now.

From what I've been hearing, the special effects are the kind you'll want to see on a really huge screen. Don't miss seeing it in the theater and kick yourself later for it.

That's why I've GOT the big screen at home!

 

[USS Mariner]

Really, the only real difference between the target of this film and the other ten films is that the upper management seriously committed to trying something new to get it,

And doing something 'new' was never a problem. It was clear that the 'last gen' run was well and good out of steam, and that the blood needed to be changed. The problem was (and is) the sheer hostility that so many people involved had towards other aspects of the franchise. The fact that, for so long, so many proponents of this movie rather openly shared that view, and felt the need to 'defend' the movie by blasting TOS ( in particular ) certainly doesn't help things.

I don't see it much as hostility as much as the consensus (on the part of both corporate and film management) that if "it" was part of the last ten films, which were generally mediocre with some good chunks, it shouldn't be used now, regardless of whether or not the specific "it" was really a terrible idea or just a misused one. I can't say that it was an unfair option, just a very quick and cheap method, which leaves a small minority of irate fans that liked those chunks in a big way, especially since they were few and far between.

The only reason they're trying to carryover a lot of TOS characters and elements (good and bad) is that it's the only series that random people can recognize as Star Trek if asked. To be fair, most of the carryover seems to be of the best of the basics, but there are a lot of stupid ideas being kept that never made sense, ones that are apparent even in the reviews.

It'll be interesting to see if my take is close, but I have the feeling that it is, which still means it'll be a giant hit regardless. Just not a great hit with me.

 

[Vance]

I don't see it much as hostility as much as the consensus (on the part of both corporate and film management) that if "it" was part of the last ten films, which were generally mediocre with some good chunks, it shouldn't be used now, regardless of whether or not the specific "it" was really a terrible idea or just a misused one.

Yet, every single bit of the new movie can easily trace bits of itself to the last several movies. For all the talk of doing something 'new', they really aren't when you think about it.

 

[USS Mariner]

I don't see it much as hostility as much as the consensus (on the part of both corporate and film management) that if "it" was part of the last ten films, which were generally mediocre with some good chunks, it shouldn't be used now, regardless of whether or not the specific "it" was really a terrible idea or just a misused one.

Yet, every single bit of the new movie can easily trace bits of itself to the last several movies. For all the talk of doing something 'new', they really aren't when you think about it.

They're all films, and they're all still spin offs of TOS.

Besides, it's written by Orci and Kurtzman. Those are the last people I would expect innovation from.

They were involved TF, which is arguably more retarded than the animated film, but it was a huge success, so they were asked to come on board, not only because they were writers of a hit, but because they never really worked on Trek before.

Their familiarity with Trek isn't why they were chosen, but that isn't always a bad sign, considering the spectacular work Manny Coto did for ENT...

Honestly, the last season's level of insanity made the rest of the series look like a Grammy-contender, and part of the reason was due to shoehorning "continuity" into the show without bothering to tie it in the the series itself beyond cosmetics. By the end of the third season, I started to enjoy ENT on it's own merits, but then the show I was watching got pre-empted by fanwank.

 

[Irishman]

Why do you care about the other people who see the movie? See it for the entertainment itself. Don't think about what other people go to see it. You can be 100% certain to go to the movie and no one will be watching out for you.

Like I said, it's more the hassle and expense of getting to the theatre. I'm too keenly aware of how these fandoms can act, particularly in opening weekends. So, I was on the fence about it.. but couple that with the 'rude kids' that are en masse around here, I'll give it a pass for now.

From what I've been hearing, the special effects are the kind you'll want to see on a really huge screen. Don't miss seeing it in the theater and kick yourself later for it.

That's why I've GOT the big screen at home!

Ooooh, me too, and it only took 2.5 years! What you got??

Pioneer Pro111-FD here.

 

[Vance]

They were involved TF, which is arguably more retarded than the animated film, but it was a huge success, so they were asked to come on board, not only because they were writers of a hit, but because they never really worked on Trek before.

But one big difference is that no one, at all, expected sophistication with Transformers. It delivered exactly what it was supposed to, in a seaaon where pretty much no other movie did. (Shrek III, Spider-Man 3, Simpsons, etc.) And even WITH that, we still got TF:Animated, which has very good writing and acting in it..

Trek's a different beast. Even if this truly is a hit, is it a good thing to turn it into a popcorn-movie trilogy and nothing else? I'm not so sure. We'll see, I guess.

 

[USS Mariner]

Trek's a different beast. Even if this truly is a hit, is it a good thing to turn it into a popcorn-movie trilogy and nothing else? I'm not so sure. We'll see, I guess.

Given how lame the other ten are, that'd be an improvement.

I'm not sure that JJ's take would translate into a series very well, even given what I know through reviews and spoilers, but it's a bit more palatable as a film franchise, even as a concept.

 

[Vance]

Ooooh, me too, and it only took 2.5 years! What you got??

Pioneer Pro111-FD here.

Nothing too fancy, but I picked up a Polaroid 32" LCD at a really good price. But, with our setup, it's still a million times nicer than most theatre experiences. The only good theatres in town are the big new Tinseltown setups, but they're such a pain to get into (due to being in the center of shopping, etc) and the prices for them are getting more and more prohibitive.

I just watched a HD version of ST:II on the PS3, and the screen and audio experience was sweet. I honestly don't feel I'm missing out on much, all things considered. Plus, I can pause when the big gulp finally hits me.

 

[Irishman]

Ooooh, me too, and it only took 2.5 years! What you got??

Pioneer Pro111-FD here.

Nothing too fancy, but I picked up a Polaroid 32" LCD at a really good price. But, with our setup, it's still a million times nicer than most theatre experiences. The only good theatres in town are the big new Tinseltown setups, but they're such a pain to get into (due to being in the center of shopping, etc) and the prices for them are getting more and more prohibitive.

I just watched a HD version of ST:II on the PS3, and the screen and audio experience was sweet. I honestly don't feel I'm missing out on much, all things considered. Plus, I can pause when the big gulp finally hits me.

Sweet! Dark Knight was my first Blu-Ray, then King Kong, then I, Robot. I'm gonna rent the Trek pack on BR as soon as it hits Ballbuster.

 

[Vance]

Given how lame the other ten are, that'd be an improvement.

Not sure about that. A lot of 'summer blockbusters' wind up being awful in the long run... And Trek, despite being hit or miss, does have a couple of genuininely good movies that stand the test of time. Admittedly, it's sadly just a couple in a long chain.

I'm not sure that JJ's take would translate into a series very well, even given what I know through reviews and spoilers, but it's a bit more palatable as a film franchise, even as a concept.

It depends, again, on if we're going to see the franchise severely limited (as was attempted to do with ENT) or opened up. Sadly, Paramount/CBS seems to be pushing the limiter at the moment, which is somewhat to be expected.. I'm just curious what will come down LATER.

 

[Garak]

You mean everyday people ages 18-40?

You know beter than that, Garak...

Edit: Besides, we know there's a lot of deliberate agism going on in this stuff. All you have to do is look at the XI forums which pretty much outright say "If you like anything that came out before two or three years ago, you're old and should die off already so we can get to NEW stuff"

So if I'm picking up what you're putting down, you're so concerned with younger people and their "militant" views regarding age to the point that you won't go and see this movie.

In and of itself, that's probably the worst logic I've ever heard for not going to see a movie.

It really sounds like you're munching on a bowl of sour grapes because this movie isn't made the way you want it to be made.

I mean hey, you don't want to go see this movie? Fine. But at least come up with a worthy and honest excuse that doesn't make you sound like a bitter old man sitting on a porch complaining about them there teenagers on your lawn.

I'll tell you what - I'll go see it again and buy and extra seat and dedicate the extra 10$ to you. Don't worry about me, I'm recession proof.

 

[Vance]

So if I'm picking up what you're putting down, you're so concerned with younger people and their "militant" views regarding age to the point that you won't go and see this movie.

I already said, it was a movie i was on the fence about. A lot of what I saw in the previews as dead-on stupid. Now, I'm not totally against stupid in movies, but I didn't see enough in the trailers to attract me. Spending $10 for a theatre ticket to an movie I'm iffy about isnt' an attractive position, particularly since I can be a lot more comfortable seeing it in about three months at home in beter surroundings for a cheaper price.

Now, that, coupled with the outright hatred and hostility it's supposed 'fans' show, even in person, I didn't (and don't) think it's worth the combined hassle.

I mean hey, you don't want to go see this movie? Fine. But at least come up with a worthy and honest excuse that doesn't make you sound like a bitter old man sitting on a porch complaining about them there teenagers on your lawn.

Only if you deliberately not read most of my actual posts...

I'll tell you what - I'll go see it again and buy and extra seat and dedicate the extra 10$ to you. Don't worry about me, I'm recession proof.

I'm glad you enjoy the movie. If it's worth the money and hassle to you, then go for it.

 

[Gary7]

Like I said, it's more the hassle and expense of getting to the theatre. I'm too keenly aware of how these fandoms can act, particularly in opening weekends. So, I was on the fence about it.. but couple that with the 'rude kids' that are en masse around here, I'll give it a pass for now.

Go at an off time or wait a week. The opening day and opening weekend showings can be quite crazy... but by the next weekend, it's probably tame.

That's why I've GOT the big screen at home!

As large as a full size movie theater? If so, then congratulations on an amazing entertainment system. With something like that, I'd never see a movie in the theaters.

 

[Masao]

^^ Thanks for the offer, but in Canada it'll cost me $9.75 to see it.

And then there is transit, goodies and compensation for pain and mental distress.

OK. My final offer. Ten bucks and a box of Junior Mints.*





*virtual offer only. No cash value in real world.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Is that $9.75 Canadian or American?

 

[USS Mariner]

Like I said, it's more the hassle and expense of getting to the theatre. I'm too keenly aware of how these fandoms can act, particularly in opening weekends. So, I was on the fence about it.. but couple that with the 'rude kids' that are en masse around here, I'll give it a pass for now.

Go at an off time or wait a week. The opening day and opening weekend showings can be quite crazy... but by the next weekend, it's probably tame.

That's why I've GOT the big screen at home!

As large as a full size movie theater? If so, then congratulations on an amazing entertainment system. With something like that, I'd never see a movie in the theaters.

Big does not necessarily equal awesome. If you have shit projectors, projectionists, or bad prints, you're not much better off than watching the movie on a 18" portable.

 

[MANT!]

The target audience of this film are the 15 to 24 year olds that rule the roost when it comes to movie grosses...us old timers are NOT the targets..but as I'm willing to see it before I pass judgement (Like I did with TMP so many eons ago) and it is an event that I want to see with my 22 year old step-daughter..I'll be there..if it makes her an even casual fan..it will have done it's job...

New fans are what Star Trek needs to stay alive..and not just a nostaligic afterthought in entertainment history such as Captain Video or Bonanza..
If Trek has to evolve (or de-evolve in some folks opinion) so be it..


As I have stated many times, every Star Trek film from TMP on has split the fans..

From Roddenberry Trek (through TMP) to Bennett Trek (TWOK to TUC) to Berman Trek (TNG through Ent.) it has evolved..not always to suit every fan..(ask The God Thing for one)..but each time each change had a successful period bringing in new fans..

So..changes have been made, I welcome those changes..if Trek is to survive instead of quietly fading away...

 

[Rat Boy]

Funny, I'm just a hair shy of thirty and I looked like I was the youngest person in the theater. Of course, this was a 12:30 showing on a school/work day.

 

[Vance]

As large as a full size movie theater? If so, then congratulations on an amazing entertainment system. With something like that, I'd never see a movie in the theaters.

Nope, just a 32" HD... but it's big enough that I feel the theatre experience, and I get to enjoy my couch, eat what I want, and make out with my wife without the usher kicking us out.