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The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Grade the movie...

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Since it seems we may not make individual review threads, I'll post mine here so my thread may be closed:

Some spoilers ahead.

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I'm not a film reviewer. Nor am I the penultimate encyclopedia on anything TOS. I'm just a regular guy, mid twenties, who has watched and loves everything Trek. Having said that, I do have some thoughts:

I've just watched the movie. And, after letting it sink in, all I can say is (to paraphrase McCoy): I like it, it's exciting! :D

And it truly is.

The space battles don't look 'realistic' (in the 'the universe is so large you'd be kilometers away from each other' sense), but they are exciting as hell. It gets the blood pumping and damn, I was literally rocking in my seat.

The emotional scenes do more to give the characters, well, character, then entire seasons have done for the previous series. My girlfriend even let a tear escape when Jim was born. Even my eyes got a little wet (sure was glad for that few seconds black! Gotta wipe my eyes in secret :D).

And the story, well, of course it's rushed in some places; it's a movie, what do you think? But it's not some slice of cheese with more holes then my garden fence like most previous Treks: it's engaging, it's (at times) very logical and it's definitely not too drawn out, it's the right pace at the right times.

Even the re-design of familiar elements have been done superbly. Yes, I don't like engineering much either (still looks too much like a brewery -- where's the warp core?), but what it does look like is real. It's looks absolutely, completely, definitively real. And that rocks. Just like all other elements of production design. It looks cool, it looks real and above all: most of it looks completely and utterly futuristic. This could very well be our future! Our bright, optimistic, wonderful and exciting future!

And to top it all off, they lost the reset button! That's right, no reset. There are now 2 Spocks in existence. Vulcan is no more and the United Federation of Planets and it's heroes would forever be altered. Nothing will be the same again.

The new possible story lines that these events have opened up are fantastic as well; how would you feel if Spock's efforts of unification would come true in this universe when all he had to do was to sacrifice his entire home planet? How will things develop now? All the possibilities are staggering.

And I love it. When the movie was done, I felt like a little boy, seeing my first Star Trek movie on the big screen. You know that scene with the food from 'Ratatouille'? When the guy relives his childhood? That's how I felt. And you?

PS: When is the next movie coming out? Cause I say: BRING IT ON!
 
couldn't have put it better myself, but what about that little alien who was Scotty's friend. I didn't like that, a bit too Star Wars ish

I just took it as a friendly little jab at the Ewoks in SW, and the sidekick in Futureworld. But I wouldn't miss him (it?), either. Unless it's a robot that Scotty built, of course. ;)

--Ted
 
Brilliant film.

Pike in the wheelchair was a very nice nod at the end.

The whole Kelvin segement blew me away, very emotional.

Canon is definitely stretched in parts, though not to impossible lengths - the knowledge of Romulans certainly didn't seem to tie into what we'd expect - but who knows what would have followed the Narada-Kelvin encounter.

I fully expect to see a novel at some point that deals with exactly that question. But you know, it made sense. Wouldn't it? Wouldn't you seek out the enemy race who just obliterated one of your prized starships to ask them "what the hell, dudes"? ;)
 
Vulcan bullies. Fantastic.

Scotty's bean eating pet thing - get down! Fantastic

British Red Shirt out to kick some Romulan Arse! Fantastic

Wulcan. Fantastic

Window as view screen. Fantastic, why didn't they think of this before?

Pike in wheelchair! Fantastic, wheres my beepy light though?

Seriously, whats not to like?

Well, I prefer my engineering a with bit more flash and a bit less 20th Century industrial; and Uhura as goddess and not Spock's sloppy seconds. But apart from that, it rocked!

More please.
 
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If anyone with the necessary clearance wants to shift my first post into the thread for nitpicking and reviews, I'll be more than happy. :bolian:

Don't want to be seen to be making a mess, even if this is just about my first ever thread on here in years.

I'm wondering about going for a second viewing, but it's expensive and quite a long journey there and back. Might just wait for the Blu-ray.
 
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Regarding Nero's motivation... It was simply a very misdirected revenge. He blammed the Federation for not being fast enough to help his planet (as if the UFP *had* to help Romulus...). His ship was simply a mining ship, but overpowered since it was from 130 years or so in the future. The black hole technology was from Spock's ship. Remember Nero was pulled into the past unwillingly. However I wonder why he waited 25 years roaming around in space, in the hopes of getting his hands on Spock and his blackhole technology to execute his irrational vengeance..instead of going to Romulus and help them prepare for the upcomming Super Nova. Or even use the black hole technology for that purpose instead...

1. his ship wasn't a simple mining ship. It was a mining ship turned into a superweapon thanks to it being refitided with Romulan adapted Borg technology.

Info from the Countdown comics.

2. He wasn't just roaming 25 years in space. After the Kelvin incident he was captured by Klingons and spent quite some time in Rura Penthe from where he later escaped.

This plot was cut in the editing room

3. As for Nero...I suppose one can be expected to be half mad and irrational when one sees child, wife, entire planet destroyed and spends a few years in a Klingon prison

I'm sorry, those things weren't in the movie....Not Canon! =P
 
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Regarding Nero's motivation... It was simply a very misdirected revenge. He blammed the Federation for not being fast enough to help his planet (as if the UFP *had* to help Romulus...). His ship was simply a mining ship, but overpowered since it was from 130 years or so in the future. The black hole technology was from Spock's ship. Remember Nero was pulled into the past unwillingly. However I wonder why he waited 25 years roaming around in space, in the hopes of getting his hands on Spock and his blackhole technology to execute his irrational vengeance..instead of going to Romulus and help them prepare for the upcomming Super Nova. Or even use the black hole technology for that purpose instead...

1. his ship wasn't a simple mining ship. It was a mining ship turned into a superweapon thanks to it being refitided with Romulan adapted Borg technology.

Info from the Countdown comics.

2. He wasn't just roaming 25 years in space. After the Kelvin incident he was captured by Klingons and spent quite some time in Rura Penthe from where he later escaped.

This plot was cut in the editing room

3. As for Nero...I suppose one can be expected to be half mad and irrational when one sees child, wife, entire planet destroyed and spends a few years in a Klingon prison

I'm sorry, those things weren't in the movie....Not Canon! =P

True.... but they show what the writers had in mind and therefore are relevant if you seek answers to those questions.

Or at least more relevant than some random fanboy explanation.
 
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I'm wondering about going for a second viewing, but it's expensive and quite a long journey there and back. Might just wait for the Blu-ray.
I'm thinking about making this movie as 'The Excuse' to finally buy a blu-ray player. But I read it hasn't been shot in HD. Does anybody know more about this?

Because if the blu-ray version is marginally the same as the dvd version, it's not worth a new player...
 
I did little jump at the Cardassian drink being mentioned in the bar scene. It seems unlikely that Cardassia would have been known enough for a drink to make it's name known, or to even use the name "Cardassian" as a drink moniker whether it came from that planet or not.
 
I did little jump at the Cardassian drink being mentioned in the bar scene. It seems unlikely that Cardassia would have been known enough for a drink to make it's name known, or to even use the name "Cardassian" as a drink moniker whether it came from that planet or not.

I thought that too, but hey I'm a DS9 fan and thought it was great. ;)
 
I did little jump at the Cardassian drink being mentioned in the bar scene. It seems unlikely that Cardassia would have been known enough for a drink to make it's name known, or to even use the name "Cardassian" as a drink moniker whether it came from that planet or not.

I thought that too, but hey I'm a DS9 fan and thought it was great. ;)
Was that really the reference to DS9 they promised, though? Because the Cardassians were originally a TNG race. Granted, DS9 really made them into what most Niners came to love eventually, but referencing them doesn't really scream Deep Space Nine to me.

However, I liked that name drop. :techman:
 
I did little jump at the Cardassian drink being mentioned in the bar scene. It seems unlikely that Cardassia would have been known enough for a drink to make it's name known, or to even use the name "Cardassian" as a drink moniker whether it came from that planet or not.

1) If memory serves, we don't know when we first encountered Cardassia/interacted with them
2) Alternate timeline - for all we know Starfleet started on a big 'ally search' following their mysterious attack by a massively superior force. They ran into the Cardassians, and forged a friendship.
 
Everything is set up well for the sequel. And there will be a sequel if the reaction from the sold out audience in attendence at the IMAX at Melbourne Museum are any indication. I arrived an hour early and there was already a que of 60 people or so. This quickly grew to around 300 or so, whatever the capacity of the cinema was. Oh and the session after mine was also sold out, and I beleive the later ones were too. The audience loved this film and were laughing out loud and gnashing their teeth and sighing when old Spock showed up and gave it a solid minute or so of applause at the end.

tee hee - I too was at the Melbourne IMAX early. Probably saw each other... Its a small internet/world isn't it :bolian:
 
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