Distinguishing the Continuities: 1966-2005 vs 2009-

[FalTorPan]

Assuming the 2009 film is successful and results in sequel stories in various media, how might we distinguish the two continuities -- that represented by TOS/TAS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT and the first ten features, from that represented by ST2009 and subsequent productions?


Perhaps due to the popularity of the Okudas’ Trek chronologies, the acronym “TOS” became the preferred shorthand term for referring to the original series. Marvel Comics’ original (as opposed to its newer “ultimate”) continuity’s Earth has been dubbed Earth-616.


So what do we call the two continuities? STU66 vs STU09 (Star Trek Universe 1966 vs 2009)? Shatnerverse vs Pineverse?

 

[Mach5]

I think Trek 2.0 works fine. BTW, "Enterprise" is a part of the 2.0 continuity too, since the events in it precede the moment in which the timeline branched out.

 

[Cheebo]

I think Trek 2.0 works fine. BTW, "Enterprise" is a part of the 2.0 continuity too, since the events in it precede the moment in which the timeline branched out.

Yep, and it is even clearly referenced within the film so ENT is included in both continuities.

As would anything in Trek that takes place prior to 2233.

 

[The Super Brando]

I think Trek 2.0 works fine. BTW, "Enterprise" is a part of the 2.0 continuity too, since the events in it precede the moment in which the timeline branched out.

Yep, and it is even clearly referenced within the film so ENT is included in both continuities.

As would anything in Trek that takes place prior to 2233.

I don't buy that at all. I think it's clear that this new Star Trek movie is a fresh reboot having nothing at all to do with the old Star Trek.

Any alternate timeline branch/ altered universe talk was just the filmmakers trying to appease the old fans. It's just lip service, basically saying, "calm down nerds, the old Star Trek isn't deleted from your dvd's. William Shatner isn't erased from history."

At the end of the day this new movie is something completely different and seperate. It's an old-fashioned Hollywood reboot, with some babble on the side to keep the anals from having a heart attack.

On the topic though, I like the term nuTrek. It's short and simple.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

oldTrek and nuTrek will do. It works for BSG.

"Golden Age" and "Silver Age" might work too.

 

[Cheebo]

I think Trek 2.0 works fine. BTW, "Enterprise" is a part of the 2.0 continuity too, since the events in it precede the moment in which the timeline branched out.

Yep, and it is even clearly referenced within the film so ENT is included in both continuities.

As would anything in Trek that takes place prior to 2233.

I don't buy that at all. I think it's clear that this new Star Trek movie is a fresh reboot having nothing at all to do with the old Star Trek.

Any alternate timeline branch/ altered universe talk was just the filmmakers trying to appease the old fans. It's just lip service, basically saying, "calm down nerds, the old Star Trek isn't deleted from your dvd's. William Shatner isn't erased from history."

At the end of the day this new movie is something completely different and seperate. It's an old-fashioned Hollywood reboot, with some babble on the side to keep the anals from having a heart attack.

On the topic though, I like the term nuTrek. It's short and simple.

It's not just random babble for the fans.

The time travel and Leonard Nimoy's Spock are central to the movie. It is stated multiple times within the movie that the time line has been altered. It is the same Trek universe but with the timeline shifted due to Nero. It is very central to the movie, not just some throwaway line.

 

[The Super Brando]

It's not just random babble for the fans.

The time travel and Leonard Nimoy's Spock are central to the movie. It is stated multiple times within the movie that the time line has been altered. It is the same Trek universe but with the timeline shifted due to Nero. It is very central to the movie, not just some throwaway line.

I just don't think that's the case. Nimoy is in there because Trek fans like him. Plain and simple. He's awesome, so it would be awesome to have him in the new movie.

The altered timeline dialogue is just so fans can really understand that this movie does not take place before TOS. There were some fans who were thinking this new movie franchise would actually lead up to TOS. I mean, there were people on this website who really did believe that this new movie would end with the Enterprise bridge being altered to look like what it did in the 60's tv show.

Things like that are just ridiculous. Trek fans can tend to be anal and set in their way, demanding that everything fit with TOS no matter how stupid that show is.

I think the filmmakers just put that babble in their to distinguish this movie from all that came before, and at the same time connect with the older fans so they would buy tickets to see it. But in the end this new movie is completely seperate, and has nothing to do with things like Star Trek: Enterprise.

 

[Mach5]

I just don't think that's the case.

Well, if that works for you, jolly good. But if something is established on screen, than that's the way it is, plain and simple.

 

[The Super Brando]

Well, if that works for you, jolly good. But if something is established on screen, than that's the way it is, plain and simple.

Well I don't think it was the filmmakers' intention to establish things like Enterprise as the same continuity as the new movie, nor do I think there's anything on-screen that does that.

But anyway, as for the original pre-reboot Star Trek, I like the term Trek Prime, but that doesn't seem to be catching on. I don't like Old Trek, because "old" carries negative connotations, and I don't think negatively about Trek Prime.

 

[Mach5]

Well, if that works for you, jolly good. But if something is established on screen, than that's the way it is, plain and simple.

Well I don't think it was the filmmakers' intention to establish things like Enterprise as the same continuity as the new movie, nor do I think there's anything on-screen that does that.

But anyway, as for the original pre-reboot Star Trek, I like the term Trek Prime, but that doesn't seem to be catching on. I don't like Old Trek, because "old" carries negative connotations, and I don't think negatively about Trek Prime.

Since Nimoy's Spock has been officially dubbed "Spock Prime" in the new movie, then the term Trek Prime is only fitting.

 

[ltcmmanderdata]

i like nustar trek or trek 2.0. abrams star trek and roddenberry star trek work for me too.

 

[-Brett-]

Problem with "nuTrek" (or nuBSG, for that matter) is what do we call it in ten years when they reboot it again? NuerTrek?

 

[FalTorPan]

How about Nimoyverse and Quintoverse? (Yes, I know that Nimoy crossed over to the Quintoverse in the movie.)

 

[Biggshow]

Roddenverse v Abramverse? ST2.0 works. The comic geek in me also likes Golden Age/Silver Age (as does Trek Prime, for that matter). Classic Trek v. Modern Trek (can be changed to Middle Trek when next reboot happens)?

 

[SteveJRogers]

But anyway, as for the original pre-reboot Star Trek, I like the term Trek Prime, but that doesn't seem to be catching on. I don't like Old Trek, because "old" carries negative connotations, and I don't think negatively about Trek Prime.

I saw Nimoy Spock refered to as "Spock Prime" Does that mean he is going to go crazy and start punching holes in time?

Maybe Tasha Yar will be brought back to life, AGAIN!



(Thats a reference to the DC villian Superboy Prime, from "Earth Prime," our Earth, literally punching holes in time (IIRC, right before Infinite Crisis) and one of the major retcons it caused was the return of Robin II, Jason Todd, and as if he never "died" at the hands of the Joker, even though everyone remembers that he did die. To quote Miles O'Brien, I HATE temporal mechanics!)

 

[miraclefan]

How about Diet TREK?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I actually tend to call it "JJTrek" and the new ship the "JJPrise."

 

[USS Triumphant]

Since Nimoy's Spock has been officially dubbed "Spock Prime" in the new movie, then the term Trek Prime is only fitting.

This is my preference, as well.

I saw Nimoy Spock refered to as "Spock Prime" Does that mean he is going to go crazy and start punching holes in time?

No. It means that he can now transform into a wicked looking tractor-trailer.

 

[BillJ]

Star Trek

Pinto Trek

 

[TIN_MAN]

Well, perhaps what we need to do is construct some kind of flow chart that delineates the different time lines, and where they diverge (and possibly reconnect?) This would allow us to see just how many universe/timelines we're dealing with, and try to make some sense out of them all, then we could better determine the best way to label them? A good place to start, for raw data, might be "Ex Astris Scientia's" timeline inconsistancy article?