Nah. You may have liked it better, but that's not the same thing as it being a better made movie. I like Serenity better than TWOK or Star Wars, but that doesn't automatically make it a superior film to either one. There are reasons - besides the popular "it's all politics" rationale - that no Star Trek film has ever been nominated for Best Picture or any other top Oscar award; they're just not good enough for the studio to ever campaign for them and certainly not for them to be nominated for any other reason. TWOK is a likeable enough low-budget movie that breaks no new ground and had no influence on the film industry at all. So was Serenity, for that matter. Star Wars only shares the "low budget" part with them.
Why do people love''WARS'' more then''TREK''?
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Nah. You may have liked it better, but that's not the same thing as it being a better made movie. I like Serenity better than TWOK or Star Wars, but that doesn't automatically make it a superior film to either one. There are reasons - besides the popular "it's all politics" rationale - that no Star Trek film has ever been nominated for Best Picture or any other top Oscar award; they're just not good enough for the studio to ever campaign for them and certainly not for them to be nominated for any other reason. TWOK is a likeable enough low-budget movie that breaks no new ground and had no influence on the film industry at all. So was Serenity, for that matter. Star Wars only shares the "low budget" part with them.
I agree that liking a film more does not automatically make it better. But the studio didn't really believe in the original 'Star Wars' either, I don't think. They took a chance on letting this wunkerkind George Lucas (who they probably did believe in) do what he wanted and hoped for the best - and amazingly, he delivered, at least on that one. Afterward, he had the clout to basically do what he wanted, which increased over time. I'd argue that by the time of the prequels there really was a certain amount of politics involved - a mindset of 'It's new Star Wars! From George Lucas! How can it not be awesome?'
ltcmmanderdata
Lieutenant Commander
i like them both the same.
Nope. I actually *prefer* Star Wars (first movie) to WOK. The Empire Strikes Back and WOK are about equal to me when it comes to liking them.
I honestly think that WOK was a better movie. Then again, at some point it does become subjective and what I may feel are elements that make a movie better may be something with which you disagree.
As for awards, they aren't worth the powder to blow them to hell. Year after year, films that are considered excellent get awards. Far too many of them are deadly dull and lack entertainment value, again, in my opinion, which may vary from that of others.
As a SW fan who is glad to have ST to pass the time b/t movies, I think the best comparison is to look at SW like a John Wayne western and ST like a UNFORGIVEN-style Eastwood western....both are great, but one requires a different mindset than the other....
This cannot stand....we need to have a crossover where the Wookies go to war against the Klingons....and wipe the memory of emo vamps from pop culture....
Or the Klingons and Wookies team upand kick everyone's asses.
....with Ewoks caught in the crossfire....
hahahaha
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[did I totally quotefail that section? my computer is being sucktastic right now.]
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
Why in god's name do the VAST majority of the viewing public love STAR WARS far more then TREK? I mean what the HELL? is it because ''WARS'' is just simpeler to understand? (good V evil) where as TREK makes you THINK? can somebody PLEASE tell me?
The fans and vaguely elitist attitudes like this one probably have something to do with it.
No, no, no, no, no.... Nice try but no fucking way. I grant you that the OP's comments were silly and condescending but SW fans are way worse than Trek fans and if you don't believe me simply read this, which sums up how incredibly out of touch with reality hardcore SW fans are.
And although I may have seen a Trek fan or two show up to a premiere in a uniform or other such costume I have never seen Klingons fighting with Batleths or Romulans and Starfleet's finest battling it out with energy weapons. I have, however, for all 6 films starting with tre-releases of IV, V, and VI during the later 1990's seen SW fans dressed up like sith and Jedi and duking it out with lightsabers.
And try talking to a die-hard SW fan. It's way worse thn the obnoxious 10% of trek fans that ruin all of the conventions I go to.
Now, on to the subject at hand: SW appeals to the general audience with universal, non-esoteric concepts that are readily appreciated by all audiences. Trek is a different story because for the most part it's a different medium: television. Without a doubt, Trek's best offerings filmwise were when they actually tried to make a big action-packed, blockbuster adventure instead getting all cerebral. Nobody wants to sit for 2 hours in a theater for a film adaptation of The Inner Light, sorry. I use that example because it's my favorite episode of TNG but I wouldn't want to see that.
There's nothing wrong with SW except for the prequels which just sucked because they weren't very good films, not because of the premise of their content. And no, a SW fan isn't likely to be more "simple-minded" but I'll telly you what: as 6 year old, I got SW. I was 22 before I got Trek. Universality is what SW has that Trek has lacked.
As J.J. Abrams (and George Lucas as well) knows , movies need to appeal to everyone, because people pay to see them. SW isn't "dumbed down" for the masses anymore than this new Trek film. They are just apples and oranges Sci-Fi franchises.
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Never did understand that!?
W T F Indeed!
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Amaris
Guest
Never did understand that!?
I see it more as a "we didn't know, now let's move past it and never speak of it again." It's like meeting a hot girl, dating her a while and kissing for the first time. Two days later you find out she's your sister, who was given up for adoption when you two were born. Well fuck me with a wroshyr tree we're back to square one. It was an innocent accident, just move on and let budding romance give way to a normal, sibling relationship.
Anyhoo, I love Star Trek and Star Wars. I just watched the Original Trilogy the other day. Great movies, particularly ESB. Gold, baby.
J.
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
Never did understand that!?
I see it more as a "we didn't know, now let's move past it and never speak of it again." It's like meeting a hot girl, dating her a while and kissing for the first time. Two days later you find out she's your sister, who was given up for adoption when you two were born. Well fuck me with a wroshyr tree we're back to square one. It was an innocent accident, just move on and let budding romance give way to a normal, sibling relationship.
Anyhoo, I love Star Trek and Star Wars. I just watched the Original Trilogy the other day. Great movies, particularly ESB. Gold, baby.
J.
Fans got to seriously not look to deep into this. It's not like they fucked. it was one kiss on the cheek and one kiss on the lips to make Han jealous. there wasn't even any tongue.
A far cry from incest, I'd say.
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Amaris
Guest
Never did understand that!?
I see it more as a "we didn't know, now let's move past it and never speak of it again." It's like meeting a hot girl, dating her a while and kissing for the first time. Two days later you find out she's your sister, who was given up for adoption when you two were born. Well fuck me with a wroshyr tree we're back to square one. It was an innocent accident, just move on and let budding romance give way to a normal, sibling relationship.
Anyhoo, I love Star Trek and Star Wars. I just watched the Original Trilogy the other day. Great movies, particularly ESB. Gold, baby.
J.
Fans got to seriously not look to deep into this. It's not like they fucked. it was one kiss on the cheek and one kiss on the lips to make Han jealous. there wasn't even any tongue.
A far cry from incest, I'd say.
Yep. It was completely innocent.
J.
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
What's worse is that I think die-hard SW fans want there to be incest issues. They fucking bring it up enough.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
What's worse is that I think die-hard SW fans want there to be incest issues. They fucking bring it up enough.
The first place I saw it brought up was in a review by Norman Spinrad, who is pretty far afield from being a die-hard SW fan. Of course, his view was that if there had been some incest, it would have allowed for at least some level of drama in JEDI (however contrived), instead of the connect-the-dots we got.
Spot on.
I was under the impression, the first time that I watched the Star Wars OT, that Han Solo was going to be the 'other' that Yoda spoke of, making his freezing all the more important to resolve. I was a little annoyed because this felt predictable.
Imagine my surprise...
Imagine my surprise...
I was under the impression, the first time that I watched the Star Wars OT, that Han Solo was going to be the 'other' that Yoda spoke of, making his freezing all the more important to resolve. I was a little annoyed because this felt predictable.
Imagine my surprise...
Ah yes the biggest plot twist that we all knew about!
I give you one reason why I liked the SW films (yes,even the prequels):
Palpatine.
The man was an evil genius the likes of which no Sci-Fi universe has seen. He manipulated an entire Galaxy and established an mighty Galactic Empire based around himself. Truly a Magnificent Bastard of the Highest (or Lowest) order with the possible exception of Grand Admiral Thrawn and Darth Varder himself.
(I always seem to support the villians don't I?
)
RobertScorpio
Pariah
I was under the impression, the first time that I watched the Star Wars OT, that Han Solo was going to be the 'other' that Yoda spoke of, making his freezing all the more important to resolve. I was a little annoyed because this felt predictable.
Imagine my surprise...
Ah yes the biggest plot twist that we all knew about!
I give you one reason why I liked the SW films (yes,even the prequels):
Palpatine.
The man was an evil genius the likes of which no Sci-Fi universe has seen. He manipulated an entire Galaxy and established an mighty Galactic Empire based around himself. Truly a Magnificent Bastard of the Highest (or Lowest) order with the possible exception of Grand Admiral Thrawn and Darth Varder himself.
(I always seem to support the villians don't I?
Oh come on..he couldn't even beat a MUPPET in space...YODA!
Rob
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