Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the movie?

[Borgminister]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

Right, they just know Kirk the swaggering fighter, and Spock the logical guy.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

That's because most reviewers don't know sh** about Star Trek.

Nor should anyone have to in order to appreciate whether a movie is a good one or not - period, full stop.

 

[Borgminister]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

I think it speaks to the universality behind the idea of Star Trek--Emotion versus Logic verus Humanity.

The general public remembers the characters more than the actors who played them.

 

[urbandk]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

That's because most reviewers don't know sh** about Star Trek.

Nor should anyone have to in order to appreciate whether a movie is a good one or not - period, full stop.

There's a new (positive) review indexed over at RT in which the reviewer twice refers to Spock as Spoke. New Spoke only drinks New Coke.

I think it was probably Word autocorrect fudging up his DOC.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

(BTW, for all the complaining some fans did about Shatner not being in the movie, it looks as if the reviews coming out don't even care, nor are they regretting him not being there.)

That's because most reviewers don't know sh** about Star Trek.

I somehow have my doubts that even most Trekkies are going to be wetting themselves over a lack of Shat. Shatner isn't Star Trek, and not missing him doesn't mean one doesn't know anything about Star Trek. It just means they have better things to worry about.

 

[Grup]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

I haven't seen the movie (obviously) but as a TOS fan I wish that Shat could have been in it. In fact I wish they had made this kind of movie years ago so that the entire cast of TOS could have been in it. Unfortunately, Kirk was killed off (ungloriously) and with the actors and/or characters dying and being so aged, I don't see where it would have been smart to bring any character other than Spock back. His charcter is the only one that lends itself to playing a 200 y/o alien that looks like an 80 y/o human. Were most of the movies with TOS cast not up to par with what we appear to be getting with this one? Yeah. But we got what we got and now it's time to "do something" with Star Trek. And I think that this may be it.

I never contended that Shat would be or should be in this film. I did believe though that if he were in it, Abrams could have kept us from knowing. He seems to have that marketing ability.

 

[Grup]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

(BTW, for all the complaining some fans did about Shatner not being in the movie, it looks as if the reviews coming out don't even care, nor are they regretting him not being there.)

That's because most reviewers don't know sh** about Star Trek.

You could have just said "....reviewers don't know Shat about Star Trek."

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

1/ After all is said and done. Could Shatner have appeared in this film as the older Kirk if he was willing to do a cameo?

I was still expecting to hear Shatner's voice doing the closing narration. But there was no way to do a simple, explanation-free, physical cameo, especially not the way he looks these days, decades older than when Kirk vanished into the Nexus.

2/ Would the story truly have been compromised as the creative team suggests?

Yep. Overly-complicated cameo, totally not necessary.

I would love to know what really went on.

The story is as we've heard. Contractually, Nimoy and Shatner had to be consulted, if ever so briefly, about recasting of their old roles. The new writers' storyline required participation by an Elderly Spock, in a part crucial to the unfolding drama. We know from "Generations" that Nimoy likes Spock to be an important part of all ST productions in which Nimoy participates. Shatner made it known to the producers, as with ENT, that he "doesn't do cameos".

End of story. Bye bye Shatner.

 

[ncc74302]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

Frankly, I applaud Abrams for sticking to his guns. Clearly, he has a very clear reason why he has not put Shatner in the movie, and I really don't think it's any kind of personal vendetta or anything like that. He has a very clear vision of this movie and for the franchise at this point, and it seems that putting Shatner in this particular chapter would compromise that, and he's unwilling to compromise that just to shut him up. I think someone else would have written around that and shoehorned him in, just to make him happy. I'm not saying screw off William Shatner, I for one would be very curious to see him in there, but if it doesnt serve the story, I respect JJ Abrams for standing by that and not bowing to the intense amount of pressure that Shatner has been putting on him.

I'm sure if it served the story, he would do it, and I half expect to see him in the next one, and not Nimoy.

Shatner, on the other hand, is being unprofessional, immature, and whiny. He needs to have more reverence for Abrams and his reasons for not including him.

 

[Supervisor 194]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

Shatner, on the other hand, is being unprofessional, immature, and whiny. He needs to have more reverence for Abrams and his reasons for not including him.

Wrong. Shatner simply played the game, as it is played in his business. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[indranee]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

I don't know, I've always loved the Shat. but his behavior during the past two years has really left me sad and confused and even a bit turned off.

 

[Agent Richard07]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

His mantra when asked about his involvement was "I don't do cameos"...

Didn't he have two of them in Generations?

 

[Kruge]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

Shatner, on the other hand, is being unprofessional, immature, and whiny. He needs to have more reverence for Abrams and his reasons for not including him.

Wrong. Shatner simply played the game, as it is played in his business. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yep...I think it was all schtick...one would at least hope that by this point Shatner's ego has somewhat de-flated with age (has his physique has)

Probably thought it'd be a funny way to keep his name in the headlines, and to be at least in some sense attatched to Star Trek (thats the upcomming film, not the franchise)

Bill, you sly dog!

 

[Aragorn]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

For JJ Abrams' TJ Hooker reboot, Shatner will be playing the time traveler this time around.

 

[VOODOOXI]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

Here is an interesting quote from J.J. Abrams over at IMDB. In the story Abrams claimed to have offered Shatner a cameo and Shatner turned him down. Again it seems that Shatner's story and Abrams story are quite different.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/news#ni0767075


Abrams says, "His character died in one of the films and we wanted to be consistent.
"Everyone says - the Trek fans - if you're gonna do a Trek film, you need to be consistent. He died."
Abrams reiterates he did offer Shatner a role in his new film, but explained it could only be a cameo.
He adds, "It was clear that he didn't wanna just do a cameo, so to create a story which was in the movie, it would have been reworking everything (sic)."
But Abrams insists he didn't purposefully snub the original Kirk: "I love William Shatner"

 

[Nardpuncher]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

The way I see it...Kirk in his old age wouldn't look like Shatner does now. In my imagination...Kirk would still be relatively trim. If you know what I mean.

 

[Alpha_Geek]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

Featuring: William Shatner as Starfleet Academy Groundskeeper Willy


Willy: Who... put this...fuzzy... thing.. in Willy's toilet? I'll... get you...kids! You'll all be.. in tribble now!

 

[Cakes488]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

Here is an interesting quote from J.J. Abrams over at IMDB. In the story Abrams claimed to have offered Shatner a cameo and Shatner turned him down. Again it seems that Shatner's story and Abrams story are quite different.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/news#ni0767075


Abrams says, "His character died in one of the films and we wanted to be consistent.
"Everyone says - the Trek fans - if you're gonna do a Trek film, you need to be consistent. He died."
Abrams reiterates he did offer Shatner a role in his new film, but explained it could only be a cameo.
He adds, "It was clear that he didn't wanna just do a cameo, so to create a story which was in the movie, it would have been reworking everything (sic)."
But Abrams insists he didn't purposefully snub the original Kirk: "I love William Shatner"

Thank you for posting this quote...I just find it funny that JJ says he needs to be consistent....what does that term mean....? Consistent when it's convenient?? Does anyone have anything to say about that...I know there's plenty of JJ defenders around...where you at man?

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

My thinking is that Abrams is trying to still toe a line of being professional and in the universe, as opposed to him just coming out and telling the real and business side of what happened with Shatner.

I still don't understand what the hang up is with having Shatner in the movie, when the story never seemed to involve old Kirk anyway.

 

[Aragorn]

Re: Those who have seen the film:Could they have put Shatner in the mo

So, Cakes, you haven't seen the movie and you've already come to the conclusion that Shatner should've been in it?