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question on episode vs airdate order

grace

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hi everyone

I have what I am sure is a totally noob question that everyone here knows the answer to already, but I can't find it because my searching skills are fail.

Why is the dvd episode order different from the airdates I see in the episode guide? I mean, I'm watching it on netflix but I assume that's the dvd order. Is it like a Firefly thing where the studio had different ideas than Roddenberry?

All I can find is in one thread a reference to "wacky airdate order" but that helps me not.

Please oh wise Masters of Trek. Help a girl out.
 
TOS is an episodic show with little inter-episode continuity, especially in the first season, so NBC aired it in whatever order they chose. I'm sure they probably were trying to start with whatever they felt would be the most compelling first episode.

Many fans, especially those who saw it first run on NBC, prefer to watch the episodes in the order in which they first ran. There is a good argument for watching them in their production order, though. When the series was filming its first episodes, many elements weren't yet finalized, so if you watch with production order you get to see these elements come together. With the airdate system, for example, you see Uhura switch back and forth from command gold to operations red repeatedly (she was originally slated to wear gold until the production felt she looked better in red), and when you hit "Where No Man Has Gone Before" you'll suddenly see everyone jump into "The Cage" era costumes, Spock in gold, phasers that look like "The Cage" laser pistols, and, most egregiously, the doctor from The Cage being CMO instead of McCoy. Watching with the production order instead makes these things a progression over time, changes in the ship and characters rather than inconsistencies.

I watched TOS season one for the first time on my computer, watching in production order, beginning with The Cage, followed by WNMHGB, and then continuing on to the ordinarily filmed episodes. At the time, I had no idea this wasn't the airing order (although I had thought I remembered hearing in a magazine years before that the first episode was "The Man Trap"). I was sucked in. I can not imagine watching it in any other way.

Of course, your mileage may vary.
 
IMO, season one should be watched in production order.

BTW, Karnbeln, Paul Fix (Dr. Piper) didn't play the CMO in The Cage. That was John Hoyt as Dr. Boyce.
 
I try to watch things in production order/the order the creator intended. I have a great distrust of networks when they rearrange things for ratings. (I'm looking at you, FOX. You know your sins.)
 
It wasn't just TOS of course. TNG was even worse in this regard, at least during its first season. If you rearrange the first-season TNG eps according to their stardates, not only would their sequence not match either their production order or their first-run chronological order, but Tasha Yar would have appeared in several episodes whose stardates were after she was killed.
 
Uh, I'd see stardates as an entirely separate issue.

In TOS, somebody in the production machinery apparently took care to have the stardates increase roughly systematically whenever new episodes were produced. Thus, the production order and stardate order for TOS are almost the same; and while the former may be the "intention" of TOS, the latter actually works better in terms of continuity whenever there's a difference between the two.

However, in the first season of TNG, somebody in the organization apparently either didn't care about the stardates, or perhaps even made a deliberate effort to prevent them from increasing gradually as new episodes emerged. The production order of the episodes is more or less logical: new sets, character traits and plot elements are introduced and then become permanent fixtures of the show, and sometimes a feature disappears (such as Yar dying) and then stays disappeared. The airing order also more or less follows production order. However, at the final rewriting stage of several episodes, stardates were either altered or added to the effect of ruining stardate order. TrekCore shows several non-final scripts for the first season episodes, and those either lack the incriminating stardates, or have more logical stardates than the eventual, aired ones. Why this happened is a big mystery.

Beyond the first season, and thereafter in all the spinoffs, stardates very closely matched production order, and care was also taken to ensure that plot elements were in synch with the procession of stardates. Since TNG and the other spinoffs had a more serial nature than TOS, this was somewhat significant for continuity; in TOS, stardate order is compatible with continuity not only because such care was taken, but also because continuity in that show was a loose concept to begin with.

The airdate vs. production date issue with TNG first season is relatively clear-cut: AFAIK, just two episodes have swapped place in later releases, to do away with the "Tasha's dead, now she's back, now she's finally dead for good" thing. However, apparently the TNG episodes were written in an order that differed greatly from the production order, that is, from the order in which production was completed. Hence "The Big Goodbye" moved around quite a bit, not being ready yet to act as the immediate sequel for "11001001" as intended and originally written.

Perhaps the nonsensically high stardates inserted in late rewrites of episodes such as "The Big Goodbye" are to be faulted to an honest effort to re-position such early-written, late-finished episodes to a slot later in the season - an effort that was made before the final slot was known, and never properly controlled so that a truly matching stardate would have been inserted when the slot did become known?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Thanks Karnbeln! You rock.

No problem.

IMO, season one should be watched in production order.

BTW, Karnbeln, Paul Fix (Dr. Piper) didn't play the CMO in The Cage. That was John Hoyt as Dr. Boyce.
Really? I guess I wasn't watching closely enough. Shows what I get for assuming.

Well, it's not McCoy, at least, so my point still stands.
 
the doctor from The Cage being CMO instead of McCoy.

Dr Boyce and Dr Piper were different characters with different actors.

IIRC, US commercial VHS releases of episodes had been in airdate order, with the restored "The Cage" finally turning up at the end of the run, invariably numbered as #80, or #0.

The original US twin-pack DVDs were then released in their production order (an order rarely published until Allan Asherman's "Star Trek Compendium" in 1980), resulting in many complaints from "first fandom", people who wanted their DVDs to match up with the episode guides in their old "Star Trek Concordance" (Trimble), "The Making of Star Trek" (Whitfield, to end Season 2), "World of Star Trek" (Gerrold), "Star Trek Welcommittee Handbook", "Starlog" magazine and "A Star Trek Catalogue". Among this group were members of the team who won the bid to do the boxed DVD sets. They were determined to release the boxed sets "as they were first seen on air", ie. starting with the premiere episode, "The Man Trap", airdate order, so that everyone could experience Star Trek the way it was originally experienced in the 60s.
 
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Production order is definitely the only way to go. I just wish those in charge of doing the DVD/blu-ray releases would realise this.
 
I think the important thing to remember with TOS is that it's episodic and really doesn't matter what order you watch them in, especially after the first season.
 
I think the important thing to remember with TOS is that it's episodic and really doesn't matter what order you watch them in, especially after the first season.

Except it really does. The actors and writers were constantly evolving their characters and the universe as time went on. Plus, the uniforms are all different in the 3rd season.
 
I think the important thing to remember with TOS is that it's episodic and really doesn't matter what order you watch them in, especially after the first season.

Except it really does. The actors and writers were constantly evolving their characters and the universe as time went on. Plus, the uniforms are all different in the 3rd season.

You're quite right, I should have been more specific. I meant that it doesn't matter if you watch them in production or airdate order since they're episodic. There are of course exceptions, as mentioned above (Where No Man Has Gone Before).
 
I think the important thing to remember with TOS is that it's episodic and really doesn't matter what order you watch them in, especially after the first season.

Except it really does. The actors and writers were constantly evolving their characters and the universe as time went on. Plus, the uniforms are all different in the 3rd season.

You're quite right, I should have been more specific. I meant that it doesn't matter if you watch them in production or airdate order since they're episodic. There are of course exceptions, as mentioned above (Where No Man Has Gone Before).

Gotcha! Sorry if I was anal. :)

I still like Stardate order.
 
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