CNN: "Star Trek" could rival "Dark Knight"

[miraclefan]

There is a surprising amount of buzz from non-trekkies about this movie, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm kind of thinking the same thing.

As for The Dark Knight, it was alright. But I liked Begins better. I was amazed at how much Knight made actually.

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it spoke to America's national mood in the post-Katrina, pre-Obama world. People didn't believe in society anymore. They felt that our ideals were being betrayed, and had no faith in social institutions -- their morality or their competence. And that's ultimately what The Dark Knight was about -- a society struggling to believe in itself and its own ideas.

With luck, Star Trek will speak as strongly and successfully to our new national mood -- of renewed belief in ourselves, our institutions, our values.

Overanalyze much?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

There is no way Star Trek will beat the Dark Knight at the box office.

Of course not. Think what it means, though, that CNN is telling the country that it's in the same league. That's remarkable.

 

[Jax]

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it spoke to America's national mood in the post-Katrina, pre-Obama world. People didn't believe in society anymore. They felt that our ideals were being betrayed, and had no faith in social institutions -- their morality or their competence. And that's ultimately what The Dark Knight was about -- a society struggling to believe in itself and its own ideas.

With luck, Star Trek will speak as strongly and successfully to our new national mood -- of renewed belief in ourselves, our institutions, our values.

erm ok, I saw the film because it was Batman, anyone else ?

 

[miraclefan]

Hey ''Jax'' I didn't say that! ''Sci'' did! get your [QUOTES] right, DUDE!

[Fixed. - M']

 

[Sci]

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it spoke to America's national mood in the post-Katrina, pre-Obama world. People didn't believe in society anymore. They felt that our ideals were being betrayed, and had no faith in social institutions -- their morality or their competence. And that's ultimately what The Dark Knight was about -- a society struggling to believe in itself and its own ideas.

With luck, Star Trek will speak as strongly and successfully to our new national mood -- of renewed belief in ourselves, our institutions, our values.

erm ok, I saw the film because it was Batman, anyone else ?

I'm sure you did. But there's no way in hell people kept going back just because it was Batman.

The Dark Knight didn't make the kind of money it did, and have the kind of repeat business it did, because it was Batman. Everyone loves Batman, but no one loves Batman that much!

I'm kind of thinking the same thing.

As for The Dark Knight, it was alright. But I liked Begins better. I was amazed at how much Knight made actually.

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it spoke to America's national mood in the post-Katrina, pre-Obama world. People didn't believe in society anymore. They felt that our ideals were being betrayed, and had no faith in social institutions -- their morality or their competence. And that's ultimately what The Dark Knight was about -- a society struggling to believe in itself and its own ideas.

With luck, Star Trek will speak as strongly and successfully to our new national mood -- of renewed belief in ourselves, our institutions, our values.

Overanalyze much?

Considering that about 50% of The Dark Knight consisted of various characters pontificating about Big Important Themes -- Harvey and Bruce at the restaurant talking about democracy and accountability, the Joker in the interrogation room talking about the true nature of human morality, etc. -- I don't think I am.

 

[Valin]

Maybe he merged Rachel Nichols and Diora Baird into one

I'd pay good money to see that...

That's the plot of the sequel. Caused by a transporter accident.

 

[Sector 7]

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it spoke to America's national mood in the post-Katrina, pre-Obama world. People didn't believe in society anymore. They felt that our ideals were being betrayed, and had no faith in social institutions -- their morality or their competence. And that's ultimately what The Dark Knight was about -- a society struggling to believe in itself and its own ideas.

With luck, Star Trek will speak as strongly and successfully to our new national mood -- of renewed belief in ourselves, our institutions, our values.

erm ok, I saw the film because it was Batman, anyone else ?

I'm sure you did. But there's no way in hell people kept going back just because it was Batman.

The Dark Knight didn't make the kind of money it did, and have the kind of repeat business it did, because it was Batman. Everyone loves Batman, but no one loves Batman that much!

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it spoke to America's national mood in the post-Katrina, pre-Obama world. People didn't believe in society anymore. They felt that our ideals were being betrayed, and had no faith in social institutions -- their morality or their competence. And that's ultimately what The Dark Knight was about -- a society struggling to believe in itself and its own ideas.

With luck, Star Trek will speak as strongly and successfully to our new national mood -- of renewed belief in ourselves, our institutions, our values.

Overanalyze much?

Considering that about 50% of The Dark Knight consisted of various characters pontificating about Big Important Themes -- Harvey and Bruce at the restaurant talking about democracy and accountability, the Joker in the interrogation room talking about the true nature of human morality, etc. -- I don't think I am.

... Bruce's daddy telling him the importance of giving back to society's less fortunate... and damn Michael Caine's Alfred and his moral common sense!! I think you are spot on with this analysis.

 

[Jax]

erm ok, I saw the film because it was Batman, anyone else ?

I'm sure you did. But there's no way in hell people kept going back just because it was Batman.

The Dark Knight didn't make the kind of money it did, and have the kind of repeat business it did, because it was Batman. Everyone loves Batman, but no one loves Batman that much!

Overanalyze much?

Considering that about 50% of The Dark Knight consisted of various characters pontificating about Big Important Themes -- Harvey and Bruce at the restaurant talking about democracy and accountability, the Joker in the interrogation room talking about the true nature of human morality, etc. -- I don't think I am.

... Bruce's daddy telling him the importance of giving back to society's less fortunate... and damn Michael Caine's Alfred and his moral common sense!! I think you are spot on with this analysis.

I think your just giving the average Joe too much credit, it looked great, it had the joker was critically accliamed and came off the critically loved Begins. Not too much mention no matter how grom it sounds Heath's death at least doubled interest but word of mouth did the most work because people said it was a great movie not some true nature of human morality.

Same will go for TREK people won't look for a message in it it will be quite simple, hey dude this movie is excellent or blows.

 

[M'Sharak]

I'm sure you did. But there's no way in hell people kept going back just because it was Batman.

The Dark Knight didn't make the kind of money it did, and have the kind of repeat business it did, because it was Batman. Everyone loves Batman, but no one loves Batman that much!



Considering that about 50% of The Dark Knight consisted of various characters pontificating about Big Important Themes -- Harvey and Bruce at the restaurant talking about democracy and accountability, the Joker in the interrogation room talking about the true nature of human morality, etc. -- I don't think I am.

... Bruce's daddy telling him the importance of giving back to society's less fortunate... and damn Michael Caine's Alfred and his moral common sense!! I think you are spot on with this analysis.

I think your just giving the average Joe too much credit, it looked great, it had the joker was critically accliamed and came off the critically loved Begins. Not too much mention no matter how grom it sounds Heath's death at least doubled interest but word of mouth did the most work because people said it was a great movie not some true nature of human morality.

I don't think his contention is that they did so consciously, but that subconsciously, those factors may very well have been motivation for repeat viewings. Some movies simply resonate more with what is going on at the same time in the real world without the viewer necessarily being aware of the reasons why, and I think his point is that the TDK was one of those movies. 'Zeitgeist' is a term used to describe the notion of having captured the spirit of the time.

 

[Maurice]

Hey--anyone notice that CNN spelled "Scotty" wrong...?

That's nothing...people here can't spell names either, a la "Geordie" "Scottie" "Checkov" "Pikard" "Ryker" "Ilya"...and they're the ones who SHOULD know!

 

[Sci]

I think your just giving the average Joe too much credit, it looked great, it had the joker was critically accliamed and came off the critically loved Begins. Not too much mention no matter how grom it sounds Heath's death at least doubled interest but word of mouth did the most work because people said it was a great movie not some true nature of human morality.

Same will go for TREK people won't look for a message in it it will be quite simple, hey dude this movie is excellent or blows.

The best and most memorable and successful works of art are those that do not assume that the audience is unintelligent, that gives them plenty of credit. That's why The Dark Knight was so much more successful than, say, Fantastic Four. People respond to how intelligent something is and to whether or not it speaks to their lives, but consciously and subconsciously.

Even if part of the audience didn't really think about why The Dark Knight resonated with them, I promise you that on some level they recognized its vision of a society that's crumbling in the face of asymmetric violence as being eerily reminiscent of their real lives.

Hopefully, Star Trek to be to the Obama era as The Dark Knight was to the Bush era.

 

[Captain Pike]

There is a surprising amount of buzz from non-trekkies about this movie, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm kind of thinking the same thing.

As for The Dark Knight, it was alright. But I liked Begins better. I was amazed at how much Knight made actually.

Yeah I feel the same. I thought TDK was ok, but not what it was cracked up to be, and I liked Begins better too.

I even liked Iron Man and, dare I say, The Incredible Hulk more than TDK..

 

[Messianni]

Hopefully, Star Trek to be to the Obama era as The Dark Knight was to the Bush era.

Let's hope Obama gets two terms then to leave time for a sequel.

 

[3superearthtrek]

dark knight has beaten almost every important record except highest grossing which I believe still belongs to titanic.It would be hard to reach out to a wider audience than titanic.lets go terminator salvation!!

 

[3superearthtrek]

keep in mind,I think JJ Abrams did cloverfield which kinda sucked,but had a really cool concept.I think transformers was o.k and lost just sucks.sorry

 

[Tulin]

Calm down, people. Isn't it a bit early to be saying such things as "Trek XI will rival The Dark Knight?" After all, when all is said and done, the movies from last year that we could end up comparing it to could be at worse Hulk, at best Crystal Skull. Hell, this could even go over like The X-Files did.

Your daily dose of a cynical fanboy.

I know.

It's all getting a bit ridiculous.

It's like I said elsewhere - it's the put upon geeks who were razzed in high school feeling their deliverance is nigh.


"COME THE NEW JERUSALEM!!!!!!!.....ERRRR, STAR TREK!!!!!!!!!"

 

[The Wormhole]

There was extra interest in TDK due to the death of Heath Ledger. I'm sure that fact was partly responsible for the large opening-week numbers.

If Star Trek is this year's Dark Knight, wouldn't that make Majel Barrett (who did the computer voice before she died) this year's Heath Ledger?

"Majel Barrett gave a memorable performance in Trek XI as the Enterprise's computer. No one else could have pulled it off. She deserves a posthumous Oscar, Golden Globe, and headlines in every second news article for the next year because of this."

The Dark Knight made a lot of money because it spoke to America's national mood in the post-Katrina, pre-Obama world. People didn't believe in society anymore. They felt that our ideals were being betrayed, and had no faith in social institutions -- their morality or their competence. And that's ultimately what The Dark Knight was about -- a society struggling to believe in itself and its own ideas.

With luck, Star Trek will speak as strongly and successfully to our new national mood -- of renewed belief in ourselves, our institutions, our values.

erm ok, I saw the film because it was Batman, anyone else ?

Indeed, the primary reason I saw The Dark Knight was because I saw and enjoyed Batman Begins. Heath Ledger playing the Joker was not a factor for me. Even before he died, I wasn't all that excited about him. I'd been aware of him, but had never seen any of his prior movies. So really, I couldn't give a rat's ass about him being in the movie.

And I certainly didn't walk into The Dark Knight expecting some sort of relevant commentary on the problems of today's society. Maybe that is what The Dark Knight is, I don't know or care. It's a movie. And entertaining movie, but a movie nonetheless.

Calm down, people. Isn't it a bit early to be saying such things as "Trek XI will rival The Dark Knight?" After all, when all is said and done, the movies from last year that we could end up comparing it to could be at worse Hulk, at best Crystal Skull. Hell, this could even go over like The X-Files did.

Your daily dose of a cynical fanboy.

I know.

It's all getting a bit ridiculous.

It's like I said elsewhere - it's the put upon geeks who were razzed in high school feeling their deliverance is nigh.


"COME THE NEW JERUSALEM!!!!!!!.....ERRRR, STAR TREK!!!!!!!!!"

Excellent analogy. What's really going to be sad is if this movie does turn into a disappointment. What's everyone going to do then? Are all the JJ Abrams worshippers suddenly going to turn to anger and start up with the "you raped my childhood" tirade? I'm glad I have no expectations, it guarantees that however it goes down, I won't be disappointed.

 

[Dr. Chandra]

bugfuck

Sounds like someplace in Texas.

(I lived in Texas, so I can say that)

Is that near Bumblefuck?

No, that's in Egypt.

 

[cooleddie74]

$285m domestic, $475m worldwide. Terminator made $205m domestic, $520m worldwide.

That is without inflation in 1990 and 1991.

Holy Crap in a hat! Home Alone made more then T2 in the states? THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT! what's with people?

T-2 was rated R. Home alone was a family film with a PG rating that drew in families and little kids

Which makes TREK XI the perfect movie. Not an R-rated flick with limited access, but not a shmaltzy, syrupy cheesefest perfect for everyone either.

 

[Aragorn]

If some of you really believe Ledger's death was the biggest draw for The Dark Knight, maybe the long-overdue mass suicide of some canon-crying, only-I-know-how-to-do-Trek-right Trekkies will hype up this movie.