He went and adapted Dreamcatcher, then became dead to me.
Are the Jedi idiots?
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He went and adapted Dreamcatcher, then became dead to me.
And kinda to Hollywood too. He did Mumford in 1999, then Dreamcatcher in 2003. Most recently, he executive produced In the Land of Women and now he's writing a remake of Clash of the Titans. Still, that's a slim enough filmography that you'd think he could have at least done a final polish on the Star Wars prequel scripts if Lucas had asked.
As someone pointed out Clone troopers are about to join the fight to help Palpatine and in the novel Yoda comes to realise that the Sith have adapted while the Jedi remained stagnant, waiting to fight the same type of war as the one that "destroyed" the Sith. Plus add to that the fact that the Jedi are already demonised. They are enemies of the republic/empire now and that if Yoda killed Palpatine many would just see that as Palpatine was right, the Jedi are the bad guys.
Not sure if the Jedi discovered the truth, but the truth is that Sifo Dyas did order the clone army and he did so because he foresaw a great war and decided that the Republic needed an army. He was an actual Jedi and not just an invention by Sidious or Dooku. Sidious learns of this plan and has Dooku kill him and usurp Dyas' plan for their own needs.
In the EU novel "Shatterpoint" they deal a little with Mace Windu's view on the events of the arena and he believes in hindsight that he made a mistake, but his main focus is not that over 100 Jedi died but the fact one Sith didn't. He is haunted by his the fact his old friendship and respect for Dooku clouded him from the man Dooku had become and the force gave him an insight that said Dooku was a focual point for bad events and that he should have killed him, even if it meant that Jango Fett would have in turn killed Mace.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
This post nailed it. And I hate when these fans interject "WELL, IN THE BOOKS THEY..." Is just desperate back-tracking.
As proven in earlier posts; The Jedis could not beat the Vorlons OR the Green Lantern Corp...next time I'll put them up against oldBSG's Cylons..they might have a chance then..
Rob
I couldn't be a Jedi, but I wouldn't be a Sith, either. If I existed in that universe and was force-sensitive, I'd most likely be using my skills to impress chicks. 
I never saw the movie, but I don't know if you can really blame him if it was bad. Something about Stephen King just doesn't translate to the screen very well, with very few exceptions. The books are invariably vastly superior.
Biggest "completely retarded discussion point" for the Jedi, IMO, is their huge focus on "bringing balance to the Force", and Anakin's possible role in that. They talk about it as something they want, or something desireable, but when you walk it through:
All good guys running around, little to no dark siders. If you BALANCE it, gotta either add a ton of bad guys, or remove almost all of the good guys. This is good because...?
All good guys running around, little to no dark siders. If you BALANCE it, gotta either add a ton of bad guys, or remove almost all of the good guys. This is good because...?
Well to answer the OP lets check this litmus test I came up with.
1) Did the Jedi use a clone army that was unauthorized and created in secret by a guy they know died possibly before being able to create said army and was made of clones based on a guy working for a Sith Lord?
Yes.
3) Did they alienate the Jedi they had watching the guy who they though was up to no good who just happened to be the Supreme Chancellor and considered by everyone to be an okay guy?
Yes.
2) Did they march in and try to arrest and/or kill the legally elected and probably popular Supreme Chancellor after they found out he was the Sith Lord trying to take over the galaxy WITHOUT considering the consequences or wondering about the before mentioned clone army?
Yes.
3) Did they take any measures to preserve the guy who was their hope of taking out the Empire when their backup was probably in Vader's hands or warn they guy that the want him to kill his own father?
No on both accounts.
4) Did they bother to mention that the Emperor could use Force Lightening and that throwing your lightsaber away when facing him would be a very very BAD idea?
No.
So using this complex test I have come to the conclusion that in the words of a character from a Scifi/Commedy Anime I like "They're all idiots"
1) Did the Jedi use a clone army that was unauthorized and created in secret by a guy they know died possibly before being able to create said army and was made of clones based on a guy working for a Sith Lord?
Yes.
3) Did they alienate the Jedi they had watching the guy who they though was up to no good who just happened to be the Supreme Chancellor and considered by everyone to be an okay guy?
Yes.
2) Did they march in and try to arrest and/or kill the legally elected and probably popular Supreme Chancellor after they found out he was the Sith Lord trying to take over the galaxy WITHOUT considering the consequences or wondering about the before mentioned clone army?
Yes.
3) Did they take any measures to preserve the guy who was their hope of taking out the Empire when their backup was probably in Vader's hands or warn they guy that the want him to kill his own father?
No on both accounts.
4) Did they bother to mention that the Emperor could use Force Lightening and that throwing your lightsaber away when facing him would be a very very BAD idea?
No.
So using this complex test I have come to the conclusion that in the words of a character from a Scifi/Commedy Anime I like "They're all idiots"
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Ummm..this had me laughing. I hadn't thought about it like that...good job..
Rob
Let's look at Anakin for a moment. Palpatine tells him he doesn't trust the Jedi, tells him a story from the Sith version of Mein Kampf about an apprentice murdering his master with a big grin on his face, tells Anakin the way to solve a problem (with knowledge of the Force no less) occurring in his dreams that Anakin has only revealed to Padme, promotes Anakin so he'll be alienated by the Jedi Council, stands him in front of a giant mural of worm-riding, lightsaber-wielding enemies fighting each other which has presumably been in his office for years, and yet still has to say "only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi" before Skywhiner puts two and two together that he's the Sith Lord.
And that's AFTER the Jedi already knew that there was a Sith controlling the Senate (and who benefited the most from the Senate? Palpatine, who got to remain in office), and after the Coucil expressed their misgivings about Palpatine and asked Anakin to spy on him. Anakin still joins up with Palpatine after he reveals that "Oh, by the way, remember when I told you only through me could you save Padme's life? Yeah, not so much. I don't really know how to do it. My bad." Either he's lying about not knowing to maintain control over you, or he never knew how to do it in the first place, so why join with him? This is the Jedi's "Chosen One" who they placed their hopes of the future in, and he was the biggest idiot of them all.
And that's AFTER the Jedi already knew that there was a Sith controlling the Senate (and who benefited the most from the Senate? Palpatine, who got to remain in office), and after the Coucil expressed their misgivings about Palpatine and asked Anakin to spy on him. Anakin still joins up with Palpatine after he reveals that "Oh, by the way, remember when I told you only through me could you save Padme's life? Yeah, not so much. I don't really know how to do it. My bad." Either he's lying about not knowing to maintain control over you, or he never knew how to do it in the first place, so why join with him? This is the Jedi's "Chosen One" who they placed their hopes of the future in, and he was the biggest idiot of them all.
I hadn't heard about that. I knew that Lucas asked Spielberg to direct Return of the Jedi but he couldn't due to Lucas resigning from the DGA after they fined him for not putting opening credits at the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back.
I'm pretty sure he asked Speilberg to do the prequels. I know Lucas was always going to make the first one to test the technology and then hand it off to others but ended up doing them all himself. One thing I definitely know is that Speilberg unofficially directed several large sections of SITH, I believe the Obi-Wan vs. Grievous sequence and one other sequence.
That sums it up pretty well, I think.
Oh not to mention that they failed to notice the incredibly loud ticking time bomb within their own ranks (Anakin) which helped lead to their downfall.
They should have trained to overcome that corrupting effect, rather than avoid the Dark Side entirely. Mace Windu was able to do so.
I remember some pretty dim witted Jedi in KOTOR. As I stood there with my red light sabre, black outfit, greenish pale skin, and had just arranged for a bunch of innocents to die and killed some myself with force lightning. They are telling me they think that I might be being tempted by the "dark side".
And ''WARS'' is still more popular then ''TREK''!? Unbeliveable!.
Not the best name for the philosophy, Lucas's and the Jedi's idea of balance is the absence of the Dark Side, thinking that it just destroys and controls while in the Light there's harmony.
Well, George Lucas himself said that the idea of "bringing balance" meant killing most of the Jedi is totally the wrong idea of "bringing balance". Plus it seemed kind of unfair that just because they got a little arrogant they deserved to be wiped out after maintaining peace for 25000 years...
And wasn't Sifo-Dyas just Sidious in disguise again?
And wasn't Sifo-Dyas just Sidious in disguise again?
