Are the Jedi idiots?

[Norrin Radd]

At the end of AOTC they put themselves in a situation that results in the slaughter of god knows how many Jedi...just in a bid to rescue two of their members and an ex-queen.

Yoda saves their ass, and maybe that was part of the plan, but surely there would have been a better way to go about the whole thing?

 

[Thrall]

The Jedi are not idiots. The guy who wrote it is.

Eh, they're cops. And highly respected cops. Maybe they figured just showing up and flashing their badges would be enough for the bad guys to think twice about what they were doing. It was just a bunch of slimy business people at the end of the day. Maybe they figured that Dooku was still the Dooku they knew and would not kill fellow Jedi. Maybe they just went as a negotiation party at first and then saw what was going on and had to intervene. Yeah, that's the one.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Yes.

Dooku being an ex-Jedi colored their views on what was going on. They lost any impartial judgement, especially Yoda, whom we learn from the prequels was partly to blame for the fall of the Jedi and the end of the Republic. Yoda started the actual war by leading Republic Forces against Geonosis.

Obi-Wan was a fool for landing on Geonosis alone and getting captured.

So, yes, idiots.

 

[Carpe Occasio]

The Jedi are not idiots. The guy who wrote it is.

Jedi don't really exist. They originated from the mind of the writer. The writer makes them what they are on film. So if he's an idiot they're idiots.

 

[Thrall]

Yes.

Dooku being an ex-Jedi colored their views on what was going on. They lost any impartial judgement, especially Yoda, whom we learn from the prequels was partly to blame for the fall of the Jedi and the end of the Republic. Yoda started the actual war by leading Republic Forces against Geonosis.

Obi-Wan was a fool for landing on Geonosis alone and getting captured.

So, yes, idiots.

The war was going to happen if Yoda got involved or not. Better to try and end it there by capturing or killing Dooku(which, granted he failed).

 

[Thrall]

The Jedi are not idiots. The guy who wrote it is.

Jedi don't really exist. They originated from the mind of the writer. The writer makes them what they are on film. So if he's an idiot they're idiots.

No, they really exist. Most of them in England. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

 

[Checkmate]

As others have said, yes, because Lucas is a wretched writer when it comes to characters. Special effects, top notch. Merchandising, unquestionablely brilliant. Writing a single character who's not a complete fucktard and/or annoying preteen-in-an-adult-body? Physically impossible for the man or anyone working on a script he oversees.

Star Wars is pure eye candy. Nothing less and certainly nothing more.

 

[Klaus]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the two.

 

[Mr Light]

The Jedi are messianic self-sacrificing suicide commandos. They happily toss their lives away in the name of protecting someone else no matter how unnecessary it is. So from their mindset it's perfectly logical to send in a hundred Jedi into a trap where they're greatly outnumbered to rescue those few. Not to mention the fact that they went in there to capture Dooku, the suspected-dark-sider leader of the rebellion.

 

[DarKush]

The most idiotic thing the Jedi did IMO was not investigating thoroughly where the clone army came from. It made no sense for them to not to be suspicious of this army cloned from Jango Fett, a known confederate of Dooku.

It didn't much sense for the Jedi to become generals of the clone army just like that either. Though the Republic had no standing armies, I think individual member worlds did and it seemed like it would be a big turf war over who would command the armies. Now that I've said it, perhaps having the Jedi lead the armies was a compromise decision since they were impartial. Still, that was never explained that way, or at all.

Other idiotic things the Jedi did were allowing Obi Wan, a newly minted knight to train Anakin, who they all knew had a dark cloud hanging over him. And why Obi Wan didn't finish the job on Mustafar didn't make sense either. Then again, why Yoda chose that moment to run away from Sidious also was questionable.

 

[Mr Light]

^^ The novelization establishes that Yoda realizes he can't beat Sidious and the clones were on the way and he had to get out of there. There was a whole bit about how the Jedi spent the last thousand years training the wrong way because they never saw this guy coming, while the Sith spent all that time training to wipe out the Jedi.

 

[roguephoenix]

are jedi idiots? yes. why? they allow themselves to be defeated because they'd rather use their flashlights rather than enhance their natural abilites which would have been able to defeat their enemies. they were too consumed with being "noble" that they didn't want to use abilities to the point that they'd be like their enemies. in the process, so many people have died and suffered. those deaths and pain are on their shoulders. as they say, with great power comes great responsibility. if you don't do all you can to protect the powerless, even at the cost of yourself, then that responsibility is on you. they were too concerned with being "good" that they allowed themselves to be defeated and enabled tragedy to occur. yes, they allowed it. they didn't do everything they could to prevent it. i'm sure they told themselves they did, but they really didn't.

 

[miraclefan]

^I see the jedi as the ULTAMATE ''Darwin Award'' winners! they refused to adapt, so they died! I have no sympathy for them.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

are jedi idiots? yes. why? they allow themselves to be defeated because they'd rather use their flashlights rather than enhance their natural abilites which would have been able to defeat their enemies. they were too consumed with being "noble" that they didn't want to use abilities to the point that they'd be like their enemies. in the process, so many people have died and suffered. those deaths and pain are on their shoulders. as they say, with great power comes great responsibility. if you don't do all you can to protect the powerless, even at the cost of yourself, then that responsibility is on you. they were too concerned with being "good" that they allowed themselves to be defeated and enabled tragedy to occur. yes, they allowed it. they didn't do everything they could to prevent it. i'm sure they told themselves they did, but they really didn't.

I don't quite get what you're saying. It's been pretty clearly established that simply using the Dark side powers has a corrupting effect, from novelizations it seems to provoke paranoia, delusions, megalomania, narcisism and reduce empathy. This isn't unbelievable, there are real life drugs that can have those effects on the brain, some acute and immediate, some after prolonged use.

If you're saying that they didn't use Light side powers as agressively as they could have, maybe. They were trained to fight, but they didn't spend their entire lives training in nothing but fighting, they weren't the perfect warriors and the story would be boring if they were. The philosophy was to use force, and the Force, as a last resort, not the first resort. They had been peacekeepers in relatively stable empire for hundreds of generations, they weren't constantly fighting huge armies single handed.

 

[Admiral2]

As others have said, yes, because Lucas is a wretched writer when it comes to characters. Special effects, top notch. Merchandising, unquestionablely brilliant. Writing a single character who's not a complete fucktard and/or annoying preteen-in-an-adult-body? Physically impossible for the man or anyone working on a script he oversees.

On the subject of this, whatever happened to Lawrence Kasdan? I mean, the two best movies of the whole series were written with his help. What happened? Did he and Lucas have a falling out, or is he just dead? what gives?

 

[miraclefan]

Who is ''Lawrence Kasdan?

 

[Tomato]

For some cannon explanation. Mace forsaw a shatterpoint that if he could kill Dooku and stop the war from ever happening.

But yes Jedi are idiots but still fun to watch

 

[miraclefan]

No. There not fun to watch. Even if they have over the top deaths!

 

[Davros]

They sure act like idiots.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

And why Obi Wan didn't finish the job on Mustafar didn't make sense either. Then again, why Yoda chose that moment to run away from Sidious also was questionable.

The Obi-Wan thing actually does make sense to me, although it is still unfortunate. I think Obi-Wan was simply an emotional wreck from the whole experience and thought it was enough to simply leave Anakin for dead rather than chop his head off to make absolutely sure. I mean, when Obi-Wan left, Anakin was on fire. You gotta admit it's pretty impressive that he was able to survive that.

As for Yoda, I think they should have, in the sound mix, added a loud crack when Yoda fell. If he broke his hip, I think that could explain (1) why he gave up so easily when he & Darth Sidious seemed equally matched and (2) why we never see Yoda do any cool backflips or anything in the original trilogy.

But I agree that the Jedi were absolute tactical morons for running into the center of that arena. And for not more thoroughly researching the origins of the Clone Army created from a known associate of Count Dooku. Also, did the Jedi ever discover the truth of Sifo Dias' actual involvement in the creation of the Clone Army? And did they ever identify this mysterious "Tyrannus" who recruited Jango Fett?

For that matter, I've always been curious as to whether Jango Fett knew that Count Dooku & Lord Tyrannus were the same person. I think it's kinda funny if he didn't. Jango thinks he's putting one over on Dooku, playing both sides, but really it's Dooku who's putting one over on Jango.