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If Texas and Alaska Secede

TGTheodore

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There have been rumblings for decades about some Alaska separatists wanting to leave the United States. Lately, some very minor rumblings about Texas seceding as well.

If they'd join forces (Alaxes, Texaska), they'd have kind of a pre-Jericho thing going.

Actually, I think since a "Texan" got us into our current mess, we should SELL Texas back to Mexico to help pay the trillion dollar debt. But insist on cash.

What do you say? Should we just sell both of them before they leave?

--Ted (tongue planted firmly in cheek)
 
We have to reduce our dependence on Texan and Alaskan oil, hopefully they don't declare a yeehaw'd on us.
 
I don't understand the hate for Texas. I'm a native Texan, lived there most of my life, in the DFW area.
 
I don't really know much about the govenor to be honest, or what the latest news is. I moved to NC last August, so not a resident of Texas right now. But when I did live there, it wasn't so bad. Typical city life living in the metroplex, a lot of diversity, and horrible traffic.
 
Alaska wouldn't survive on their own and a union between Alaska and Texas is retarded. I do however believe Texan independence is the way to go. Texas would be far better off alone.
 
I don't know if Texas would be better off as an independent country, but it would certainly be a hilarious development if they did secede. ;)
 
Well, that's much, much more unlikely imo, after all most of the borders between the individual US states are pretty arbitrary - how's Oklahoma any different from Nebraska, etc.?
 
The Texas agreement when we joined up was we could split into smaller states...not leave.

Stupid would have a new poster child if we tried. Not that some duffusi don't want to try.
 
Wasn't a Bill presented to the Washington state legislature a few months back to declare that state's sovereignty?
 
No one is going to actually secede. It's just politicians appealing to the extremist vote and people with sour grapes (and a lot of ignorance) over the current political landscape. That being said, it is completely irresponsible on their part to play up this kind of talk.

I don't understand the hate for Texas. I'm a native Texan, lived there most of my life, in the DFW area.

It's not hating on Texas, but your Govenor is on an anti America/Fuck you we're leaving kick and it's annoying.

No he's not. Read what he says instead of talking shit.

Being a politician, he skirts both sides of the issue, appealing to secession-minded voters with an election coming up while not outright endorsing it and alienating moderates.

"Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that," Perry said. "My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that."
YouTube Clip

He talks about the government "oppressing" Texans, quoting Sam Houston, while people in the crowd at the Austin Tea Party chant "Secede! Secede!"

"Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression."

"Oppression" in this case being voluntary stimulus package money that he requested - while whining about it in the same letter - I suppose.

He also needs to brush up on his Texas history a bit. Texas has the right to divide into a maximum of five states, not secede. This was further addressed definitively in Texas vs. White before the US Supreme Court in 1869:

After establishing the origin of the nation, (Chief Justice) Chase next addressed Texas' relationship to that Union. He rejected the notion that Texas had merely created a compact with the other states, but had in fact incorporated itself into an already existing indissoluble political body.[18] From the decision:

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

For these reasons, Texas had never been outside the Union and any state actions taken to declare secession or implement the Ordinance of Secession were null and void. The rights of the state itself, as well as the rights of Texans as citizens of the United States remained unimpaired. From the decision:

Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. If this were otherwise, the State must have become foreign, and her citizens foreigners. The war must have ceased to be a war for the suppression of rebellion, and must have become a war for conquest and subjugation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White
 
We have to reduce our dependence on Texan and Alaskan oil, hopefully they don't declare a yeehaw'd on us.
Better hope Oklahoma doesn't join Texas, because we're sitting atop a proverbial shit-ton of methane (aka Natural Gas).
 
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