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Red Dwarf US... ugh...

Then there's the US co-produced Doctor Who movie which attempted to turn the Doctor into Spock ("I'm half-human on my mother's side!") and other dumbed-down elements such as chase scenes and the Chameleon circuit being called a "Cloaking device".

However, Paul Mcgann did make a decent Doctor, though.

Yes he did... it wasn't THAT bad a production. I certainly don't mind the occasional chase scene in my Doctor Who - much better than the endless: "capture - rescue - run down corridores - rinse -repeat" that the old serials often fell into.

That said, The Doctor being half-human was bullcrap - although it still annoyed me that they ignore it in the new series - I was getting used to it.
 
Could have been worse. It could have been Terry Farrell.

What happened to her anyhow?

I think she was on Becker for awhile after she left DS9.

And her Cat was awful. Cat's not supposed to look that cat-like. Works best as a humanoid who dresses like a human but with *slightly* cat features. If Terry had played Cat in the same manner that DJJ did...that would have been hilarious. :lol:
 
And her Cat was awful. Cat's not supposed to look that cat-like. Works best as a humanoid who dresses like a human but with *slightly* cat features. If Terry had played Cat in the same manner that DJJ did...that would have been hilarious. :lol:

Be funny if she sang "Tongue Tied"!!
 
Then there's the US co-produced Doctor Who movie which attempted to turn the Doctor into Spock ("I'm half-human on my mother's side!") and other dumbed-down elements such as chase scenes and the Chameleon circuit being called a "Cloaking device".

However, Paul Mcgann did make a decent Doctor, though.

Yes he did... it wasn't THAT bad a production. I certainly don't mind the occasional chase scene in my Doctor Who - much better than the endless: "capture - rescue - run down corridores - rinse -repeat" that the old serials often fell into.

There were certainly chase scenes in the old Doctor Who, especially in the Third Doctor era with Bessie and the Whomobile. And what about "The Runaway Bride"? The TARDIS chasing a car on the motorway? That's a hundred times more ludicrous than anything the McGann movie did.

I liked the McGann film. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than a lot of Doctor Who, and it had a very distinctive style that I thought worked quite well. And it was much more faithful than it could've been, actually trying to be part of the established continuity rather than a wholesale reboot. (Yes, there were some elements that were reinterpreted, retconned, or just plain contradicted, but that's par for the course in DW.)

And I could've lived with the "half-human" thing if they'd kept it. I mean, it would explain why this Time Lord with all the universe to play in is so fixated on Earth and humanity.
 
for me part of the humor are the accents (yea i know it's silly) so not having that somehow has less of an impact >_<
 
I... I don't want to speak about what I just saw.

...WHAT THE FUCK.

:(. I honestly switched it off before the end of the first part. Lister wasn't a slob, Rimmer wasn't a big enough douche, Kryten was just a watered down version of him with no character development at all, and I didn't get a chance to see the Cat.

You know, the phrase "raped my childhood" gets thrown about a lot these days...
 
Doctor Who Official Site said:
Is the Doctor half-human? Yes, on his mum's side. It was established in the Doctor Who TV Movie; however purists tend to disregard this.

The BBC seems to regard the half-human thing as canon. True, the season 4 finale seems to have said otherwise, but others might think different.

Canon seems to have come up a lot recently, what with the new film and all, so I've just decided that the best attitude is possibly to sit back and enjoy whatever I'm watching without worrying about what's happened previously. With Doctor Who I think that's all you really can do.
 
The BBC seems to regard the half-human thing as canon.

What's your basis for saying that? The half-human claim has been consistently ignored in every BBC-licensed or BBC Books-published work of Doctor Who fiction. It was aggressively contradicted by "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood." Based on all the information I'm aware of, the BBC apparently considers everything about the McGann movie to be canonical except the claim that the Doctor is half-human.
 
The BBC seems to regard the half-human thing as canon.

Based on all the information I'm aware of, the BBC apparently considers everything about the McGann movie to be canonical except the claim that the Doctor is half-human.

Yes - that's much more it. When "Journey's End" happened, and there was suddenly a half-human Doctor, I thought we might get into it, but the human DNA came from Donna and The Doctor seemed to think that being half-human was odd - so I think that pretty much sealed the BBC's attitude towards it.
 
Perhaps he is half human, but the Time Lord DNA overwrites the Human DNA, hence the regenerations and duel hearts.
 
Perhaps he is half human, but the Time Lord DNA overwrites the Human DNA, hence the regenerations and duel hearts.

If the McGann movie is canon, then that was ever the case - since he was the eighth Doctor and they had (retroactively of course) all been half human - it doesn't explain any of the inconsistencies with Journey's End. (note that I don't really care - I always thought the idea was stupid - but I did notice)
 
The McGann movie is canon, but it's a fallacy to assume that "canon" means "absolutely consistent." Every large fictional canon contains contradictions, whether by accident or by choice. Doctor Who's canon in particular is fraught with enormous inconsistencies. Canon doesn't require treating every last niggly detail as gospel carved in stone; it just means pretending that all the stories in the canon represent a common reality, even if that requires ignoring or reinterpreting the parts that don't fit.
 
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All this stuff about half human canon reminds me of that hot girl in Planet Terror - great movie.
 
... I'm a Yank and big fan of the UK version and this was retarted...

Sorry to be the word police but... the word is RETARDED...as in RETARD. It's not reTART (which is, I suppose, what happens when the tarts wander back into the pub...).

Thank you, and good night.
 
While I don't think the American version works, I think that most of the actors had potential (which may be why nearly all of them have had decent careers since then).

Craig Bierko isn't slobby enough to play Lister but he does seem to be trying and has his own sense of comic timing that, over time, could have worked.

As Holly, I'd say that Jane Leeves isn't as good as Norman Lovett but I'd say she's better than Hattie Hayridge.

Terry Farrell's Cat has nothing to do with the character that Danny John-Jules played in the original British version. However, as an original character, I liked her a lot and I wish that they had found a way to bring her over to the British version for a guest appearance or two. (Although, I'd say that a female Cat doesn't quite work because, at some point, she & Lister would both get drunk/desperate enough that they'd start sleeping with each other... a lot. By making the cast exclusively male, you increase the isolation that they all feel because none of them can achieve the kind of intimacy that they crave, which just makes them all progressively more defective individuals, which is funny.)

That said, The Doctor being half-human was bullcrap - although it still annoyed me that they ignore it in the new series - I was getting used to it.

For my part, my pet theory is that the Doctor IS partly human and that's the reason why he was able to survive the Time War. Whatever it was that wiped out the other Time Lords across all dimensions, the Doctor was able to survive because, genetically, he had one foot anchored in a single dimension as a human. His Time Lord half routinely overwhelms his human half but that sliver of humanity was just enough to allow the Doctor to survive while the rest of the Time Lords perished.
 
Considering Danny John-Jules plays the Cat with an American accent
I always wondered why they went with the different accents. Kyten has a tweaked out American accent and of course Cat is straight out of Motown. Kinda strange for an all-Brit cast.
 
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