Things I Hate About Star Trek

[Nerys Ghemor]

Of course. We win.

 

[Thor Damar]

Of course. We win.

As it should always be!

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Of course. We win.

As it should always be!

Exactly. Especially against those Klods--er...Klingons...

 

[Thor Damar]

Of course. We win.

As it should always be!

Exactly. Especially against those Klods--er...Klingons...

who are the Klods someone else we conquered?

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

With a name like that...probably so.

 

[Anticitizen]

The same class of ''FEDERATION'' vessel's used over & over again, I know there were ''budget'' reason's for this, but it's still annoying as hell.

Actually, I'm of the opposite mindset - it's annoying to me when we see another Starfleet vessel that's made of the exact same components as the Enterprise, just with all the parts re-arranged to make it 'different'. In TOS it seemed every Starfleet vessel was a Constitution-class vessel, and that's fine with me. If a ship looks different, it should be one that serves a different purpose, like a freighter or warship.

 

[Cyke101]

The same class of ''FEDERATION'' vessel's used over & over again, I know there were ''budget'' reason's for this, but it's still annoying as hell.

Actually, I'm of the opposite mindset - it's annoying to me when we see another Starfleet vessel that's made of the exact same components as the Enterprise, just with all the parts re-arranged to make it 'different'. In TOS it seemed every Starfleet vessel was a Constitution-class vessel, and that's fine with me. If a ship looks different, it should be one that serves a different purpose, like a freighter or warship.

If you two are opposites, then I think I'm on the side

I get that there are so many types of Starfleet vessels out there, but there are so many designs that purpose of ship and design elements become really redundant. On the flip side of that, Trek has comparatively very few foreign ship designs! I find it hard to believe that Starfleet in the 24th Century has dozens and dozens of makes and models, but the Klingons have been relying on the same basic Bird of Prey and D-7 designs for two hundred years. And it took two decades before we saw another kind of Romulan capital ship! Yet the Klingons and the Romulans are supposedly every bit the equal of Starfleet.

If someone wants to point out budget limitations, I'll bring up all those kitbashes (model and CGI) in Starfleet's arsenal that exponentially increased their design count. Once again, it's not a matter of budget, but rather budget allocation.

 

[Anticitizen]

^ Oh, I understood the "stereotypical accents" part - hence my reference to Oxford. It is just the "Brit" part that always confuses me. And I have to say I get different answers sometimes depending on who answers the question. The problem for me is that as far as I know, and I'd be glad to find out I was wrong, there is no generally accepted way to refer to someone who is a native of the United Kingdom since you can't call everybody British or, even worse, English. Tricky.

But now that you've brought up accents, why is there only one American accent used in Trek? There are dozens of accents in this country of mine: Even though Praetor and I have never met, I'd bet money that I don't sound any more like Praetor than O'Brien sounds like Bashir. And yet, aside from McCoy's occasional moments of mint julip sippin' Southernness and Trip's "hillbilly" accent, the Trek characters of North American origin all sound like they work for network TV. Euw. Are we to assume that all regional accents have disappeared? If so, that's just as bad as all those posh British accents you guys are decrying. Where are the Upper Midwestern accents, the New York accents, the Chicago accents, the Cajun accents? It makes Trek sound so bl-a-a-a-a-a-n-d.

That's because most of the actors seem to be Canadian

 

[kitsune]

I find it hard to believe that Starfleet in the 24th Century has dozens and dozens of makes and models, but the Klingons have been relying on the same basic Bird of Prey and D-7 designs for two hundred years.

This makes more sense when you consider that the ratio of warriors to starship designers in the Klingon Empire is probably on the order of a billion to one.

 

[kitsune]

Spock: does his human "side" make a difference? Does he look like a human? Does he act like a human? Does he have hemoglobin? Would it have made any difference if Amanda had just been his stepmother? The answer to these questions is no.

I think I can't agree with you on that. I always felt that it was crucial to Spock's character that he was of mixed heritage. Imagine how hard it must have been for him to decide which path he should follow. He really must have been torn inside between the human and Vulcan way. Just being raised by a human wouldn't have the same effect. And of course he doesn't act like a human! I always felt this was the crux of Spock's character: He had to overcompensate to make up for his human half. In a way that's why he was more Vulcan than most Vulcans.

I found that Spock's agonizing over his "human side" made him appear to have multiple personality disorder, or at least schizophrenic voices in his head. I think his struggles could've been presented in a more realistic, less simplistic way.

 

[Cyke101]

I find it hard to believe that Starfleet in the 24th Century has dozens and dozens of makes and models, but the Klingons have been relying on the same basic Bird of Prey and D-7 designs for two hundred years.

This makes more sense when you consider that the ratio of warriors to starship designers in the Klingon Empire is probably on the order of a billion to one.

"We need to update this design! What do we do?"

"...hm... I say we add guns here, here, and here!"

"Excellent! How innovative! You make your house proud!"

(Translated from the original Klingon series "Pimp My Bird of Prey")

 

[Praetor]

Spock: does his human "side" make a difference? Does he look like a human? Does he act like a human? Does he have hemoglobin? Would it have made any difference if Amanda had just been his stepmother? The answer to these questions is no.

I think I can't agree with you on that. I always felt that it was crucial to Spock's character that he was of mixed heritage. Imagine how hard it must have been for him to decide which path he should follow. He really must have been torn inside between the human and Vulcan way. Just being raised by a human wouldn't have the same effect. And of course he doesn't act like a human! I always felt this was the crux of Spock's character: He had to overcompensate to make up for his human half. In a way that's why he was more Vulcan than most Vulcans.

I found that Spock's agonizing over his "human side" made him appear to have multiple personality disorder, or at least schizophrenic voices in his head. I think his struggles could've been presented in a more realistic, less simplistic way.

I don't know... I thought it was probably a reflection of how he felt about himself. He had chosen to follow the Vulcan way, so to him his human half must have almost seemed like a tumor.

 

[Myasishchev]

I never understood what was so human about him. Any human genes he possessed appeared to have been rather unexpressed. Honestly, I suspect he's a clone of Sarek with some junk coding thrown in to placate Amanda.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

^ Compare Spock to most of the Vulcans we see during the TNG time period and he seems to be brimming with humanity.

 

[JustKate]

I don't know... I thought it was probably a reflection of how he felt about himself. He had chosen to follow the Vulcan way, so to him his human half must have almost seemed like a tumor.

Surely that's not logical.

But seriously, that effort to try to become something that you're not is very, very human.

 

[Thor Damar]

I don't know... I thought it was probably a reflection of how he felt about himself. He had chosen to follow the Vulcan way, so to him his human half must have almost seemed like a tumor.

Surely that's not logical.

But seriously, that effort to try to become something that you're not is very, very human.

As is vehemently disagreeing with each other about everything, I'm annoyed that only DS9 picked up on this aspect of our humanity. Furturehumans are so, perfect and morally self righteous.

Damn Vulcans

 

[Deckerd]

^ If someone wants to rack his or her brain concerning what was special about Harpo, who am I to spoil the fun?

It's Oprah backwards.

 

[JustKate]

Surely that's not logical.

But seriously, that effort to try to become something that you're not is very, very human.

As is vehemently disagreeing with each other about everything, I'm annoyed that only DS9 picked up on this aspect of our humanity. Furturehumans are so, perfect and morally self righteous.

Damn Vulcans

Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah? Come here and say that to my face!

Oh, wait, I guess you can't, darn it.

Anyway, the other Treks...well, the later Treks (TOS, not so much) did show this, but not very often and not as well as DS9 did. So calm down. You've got your Cardassian self all flustered.

^ If someone wants to rack his or her brain concerning what was special about Harpo, who am I to spoil the fun?

It's Oprah backwards.

How did I never notice this?

 

[Thor Damar]

^ You've got me there, I guess I was channeling Jonathan Archer.
(I've also noted one rather obvious spelling mistake in my last post. gah!)

I like the Vulcans, they are a great lot for understatement and the eyebrow thing is a great signature move.
I still prefer their sundered cousins myself

 

[JustKate]

^ Just between you and me...so do I. Keep it to yourself, though.