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Terminator-222 "Born to Run" - Season Finale <SPO>

Grade "Born to Run"

  • "I'll be back." (Excellent)

    Votes: 85 77.3%
  • "Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average)

    Votes: 19 17.3%
  • "Thank you for explaining." (Average)

    Votes: 6 5.5%
  • "If we stay the course we are dead. We are all dead!" (Below Average)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • "You are TERMINATED." (Poor)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    110
I almost lost it when Cameron was sitting on John's bed and then said she wanted to show him her body. That's like my fantasy dream! Then she took off her shirt, and took off her bra! I would have lost it right there if I were in John's place. Heck yeah i would have made out with her, robot or not! I guess we CAN say that John has been inside her now hehe
uh, can someone please explain what the point of that scene was(other than one last go at fan-service?)

She was having John check her nuclear battery for damage. It was cold so it was safe.

at least thats what i assumed.

Dramatically, it was a sex scene. Checking the battery for damage was the justification, but it was a sex scene, totally.


And it has the same dramatic impact as a sex scene, pretty much cementing John's feelings for her.
 
I don't think Cameron's program is as sophisticated as John Henry's. She was made for one purpose, to kill, and limited so that she wouldn't become too willful. John Henry was made to learn, with no such limits. He can play with Bionicle action figures. That alone makes him substantially more sophisticated than any Terminator. That he can also play Dungeons and Dragons, and is appropriately excited about rolling a natural 20, hints at a level of free will and imagination far greater than any Terminator is capible of.
"This is my Neural net CPU. A learning computer." T 800, T-2.

They have the ability to LEARN. To be able to play is simply part of that learned ability.
 
I don't think Cameron's program is as sophisticated as John Henry's. She was made for one purpose, to kill, and limited so that she wouldn't become too willful. John Henry was made to learn, with no such limits. He can play with Bionicle action figures. That alone makes him substantially more sophisticated than any Terminator. That he can also play Dungeons and Dragons, and is appropriately excited about rolling a natural 20, hints at a level of free will and imagination far greater than any Terminator is capible of.

Even if that is so, and his program is "bigger" I still think he would fit just fine on a Terminator chip, witih room to spare. It is my opinion that Terminator hardware is way more advanced than today's computer hardware.

Storage space isn't really much of an issue. The bigger problem is number of threads, clock cycles, architecture differences, and program optimization.
John Henry is a highly parallel program designed to run as many threads on many different processors simultaneously

Programs are written for the hardware they're designed to work on. They have to be. If they're written for the wrong hardware, then they won't run. Architecture standards help, but porting a program across architecture standards requires either extensive rewriting, a hardware emulator, or a host program that actually communicates with the hardware for the client program (as with Java). Most likely, in order to run John Henry, a sophisticated hardware emulator is required to simulate his home environment on Cameron's chip. Emulating highly parallel hardware is difficult due to synchronization issues, even on superior highly parallel hardware.

Most likely, the chip wouldn't be able to run nearly as many simultaneous threads as John Henry's native hardware can, particularly when emulating John Henry's native hardware, and a great deal of processing power would go to ensuring that the emulated hardware remains correctly synchronized. This would limit him.

Furthermore, Cameron's chip will not have the raw clockrate that John Henry's servers have. High clockrates produce massive amounts of heat, and Terminator chips lack sophisticated heatsinks, apparently relying on highly parallel processing at lower clockrates. This might not be too bad, if the Cameron's chip architecture is much more efficient than John Henry's chip architecture she can have a high rate of operation completion even at lower clockrates, but much of Cameron's architectural advantages would be lost in the emulation process.

And yes, I am very much overthinking it.

I think you underestimate how fast technology can advance. Also, these are machines building machines, they can probably build more advanced computers a lot faster than humans can. Also, I doubt you have any information on how many FLOPs a Terminator can do.
 
I had to WTF a bit at weaver coming through the time bubble nude

I assume it needs to mimic organic tissue in order to pass through time? At any rate, Robert Patrick's T-1000 came through nude as well.

The more I think about it, the more I like this episode as a season finale. If it winds up being a series finale, I'll be quite disappointed--though not as disappointed as I was with TATV.
 
Great ending. When this show is good, it's really good. Unfortunately, when it's not good, it's full of a bunch of boring dead time. There are literally hours that could have been cut out of this last season.

Not sure if a tighter show would have made a difference in the ratings, though. It's such a niche concept, it's likely that it would not have survived for long, no matter what they did.

Fingers crossed for a third season, no matter how unlikely that is. (My guess is that we'll quietly hear that it's been cancelled about a week after Salvation opens.)
 
For me the biggest problem with the scene was that there's no way to get the chip from Cam to John Henry without both of them having to be shut down at the same time. :lol:

That is a VERY good question :wtf:

It actually isn't much of a problem if you think about it. Cromartie's chip port is currently vacant on John Henry. John Henry was being controlled through the redundant memory port on the back of the skull assembly. Cameron could have removed the portion of skin over the chip port on both herself and John Henry and then extracted her chip. John Henry would have then been able to install the chip on his own.
 
Pretty great finale, series or season. I'd like them to renew it, but if it doesn't come back I think I'm satisfied with where things end up. It's the time paradox ending that I've wanted for the film series, but in reverse order. :)
 
Fingers crossed for a third season, no matter how unlikely that is. (My guess is that we'll quietly hear that it's been cancelled about a week after Salvation opens.)

Most likely. At the moment though it is not cancelled.

Yep, I could see this too. Hush-hush the cancellation so it doesn't harm the movie's box-office mojo. That said, I'm sure any news of cancellation will leak onto the tubes of the interweb before an official announcement. The buzz I've heard on the movie isn't terribly encouraging as to quality of plot, though.

If the show does get cancelled, Fox TV and I are done professionally!

That said, would the probable axing of Craphouse potentially bode well for TSCC? I'm presuming Fox would prefer to keep one carryover show into the new season, though they could always aim low like UPN.
 
Man they've really messed up the future, that's for sure....

So a lot of us were correct that John Henry was indeed the 'anti-Skynet'. What's unfortunately disappointing about this episode is that we have no clue what he really does in the future to change things. Obviously now there was no John Connor to lead the resistance, at least not right after Judgment Day. As others have mentioned, that was Allison Young in the final scene, not Cameron.

One theory that I have is that back in the future we were more familiar with, the 'Weaver' T-1001 did not join Connor's resistance because it was run by humans, and they were irrational. She therefore decided to go back in time to create a leader who could battle Skynet on a more direct level. This is why John Henry was created. Or something along those lines.

By the way, did anyone notice that throwaway line by the FBI agent about Miles Dyson's son going missing? I thought that was a bit odd. There has to be some reason why it was put in the dialogue. Maybe as a potential plot point for a Season 3?

Also, what was up with John Henry mimicking Weaver all the time in this episode?
 
I had to WTF a bit at weaver coming through the time bubble nude
She had to simulate an organic shell because, for whatever stupid reason, non-organic material doesn't transfer. That's why Cameron didn't make it; her internals were exposed.

Nevermind that organic materials like wool or cotton should be able to go through if hair, fingernails, and dead skin can. But... whatever. The organic bit is why she was "nude" when she appeared.

The weird part is that she seemed to have had to pick up clothes to put on after she arrived. Unless she wanted to mimic just having an overcoat on for whatever weird reason.
 
The weird part is that she seemed to have had to pick up clothes to put on after she arrived. Unless she wanted to mimic just having an overcoat on for whatever weird reason.

I think she simply duplicated whatever average resistance clothing she could recall.
 
I just thought of something. I think I know who they should have leading the Resistance in the future:

Savannah Weaver or James Ellison.

Think about it. If Sarah does have Cancer - as suggested - those two are the only ones really knowing what will happen (well aside from Doctor Silberman). They should set it up that Savannah is leading the Resistance or Ellison is. Ellison is, after all, Savannah's protector in the present.
 
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