World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

[Captain59]

So there is no mention of Robert April at all in the film?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

DS9 viewers threw a fit when Red Squad got their own Defiant-class ship ("Valiant"), but this one gets a free pass? Just because it's Kirk?

I'm sorry - who? When? On what?

Nice try.

Although, just in case you're not yanking my chain and you actually don't remember that episode: A Starfleet ship, the Valiant, is shown to have an entire crew comprised solely of cadets (the infamous Red Squad). This is because the Valiant was intended as their training vessel, but a Dominion attack killed all the actual officers. The real captain, in his last dying act, promoted one of the cadets to Captain. (All of the other cadets also have field ranks like Commander etc.) Later, Jake and Nog come aboard. I distinctly remember DS9 viewers mentioning that Nog should have had the rights to take command since he was a real officer, and none of the cadets were, since their promotions were all temporary.

So why doesn't the same thing apply to Kirk here? If, as Neftoon has implied (but strangely enough, Iano seems to be refuting), Cadet Kirk is given the permanent command of the Enterprise, that shouldn't work, since he's only a cadet - not a real officer. Spock should automatically outrank him.

 

[Kelso]

How badly is Starfleet (and the Federation) crippled in the film?


Are there any Klingons in the film?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

A Starfleet ship, the Valiant, is shown to have an entire crew comprised solely of cadets (the infamous Red Squad)...

I remember it, and you're saying that because viewers got all silly and took that ridiculously seriously they really really should do the same thing now. OTOH, I'd call the fact that folks who've seen the movie just lightened up and enjoyed it "progress."

Probably not the same people anyway.

 

[Neftoon]

The flash forward is between the final battle/pike rescue and the medal scene and only a couple of weeks at most, the command was stated as being temporary but i think if kirk doesn't screw up pike would let him keep the command after all he did just save most of the federation. So they definitely didn't make a cadet permanent captain in the film, which would be stupid as he could have just fluked it , but that is why we need the sequel to see where the story goes, i did get the impression after a trial period the temporary would be permant, but that was my impression, before seeing the movie such a leap would be unbelievable, after seeing it i'd buy it.

 

[Iano]

How badly is Starfleet (and the Federation) crippled in the film?


Are there any Klingons in the film?

Klingons no, although everyone keeps talking about a deleted scene with Klingons that might end up on the DVD.

Crippled...

Spoiler: Battle Spoiler

They sent out a bunch of ships to confront the Narada. When the Enterprise arrives they've all been decimated. So yeah they get tore up. The Enterprise would've been destroyed easily except Nemo halted the attack recognizing the ship name.

 

[Tom Servo]

How badly is Starfleet (and the Federation) crippled in the film?


Are there any Klingons in the film?

Klingons no, although everyone keeps talking about a deleted scene with Klingons that might end up on the DVD.

Crippled...

Spoiler: Battle Spoiler

They sent out a bunch of ships to confront the Narada. When the Enterprise arrives they've all been decimated. So yeah they get tore up. The Enterprise would've been destroyed easily except Nemo halted the attack recognizing the ship name.

Interesting. So is the Kobyashi Maru simulation that same set of circumstances as it is in TWOK? Or is it just a similar no win situation?

 

[M'Sharak]

I don't believe they are at the point of graduation yet, and the events in the movie immediately follow the Kobayashi Maru incident, so there's no time lapse.

Edit: Those events are in their 3rd year at the academy btw... well... at least Kirk's 3rd year, maybe 4th for everyone else.

Oh, hell... so it is Cadet to Captain after all?

Well, kinda, he is captain, but he's more "acting" captain during the movie and at the end since he's relief for Pike.

So what does the ending say will ultimately happen to Kirk? Will he have to give up the Enterprise and go back to the Academy? (As it should be?) Where does the "Buckle up!" scene - in which Kirk is wearing a Captain's uniform complete with rank - come in?

And I don't suppose they say what happened to Pike's original XO, do they? If they do, is it Number One?

Post-saving the world he is given a medal and given the rank of Captain (acting?) as relief for Pike.

But again, does the film resolve the question of what will *ultimately* happen to Kirk? I mean, those "Cadet to Captain" rumors aren't true, are they? (meaning, they don't give him the permanent rank of Captain at the end of the film?)

As for Pike, are his injuries as serious as they were in "The Menagerie"? Do they allow for the possibility that Pike will return to duty, and if so, is Kirk only filling in until that happens?

And one other thing: what about Pike's original first officer?

It's not a perm rank at the end of the film, they specifically state it is relief Captain for Pike.

Good.

I know I keep harping on this, but I would hope that all of you reading this would realize how totally stupid it would be to give a fresh-faced cadet the permanent rank of Captain.

The don't play his injuries off to be serious at all, its implied temporary.

VERY good. Pike is cool. Glad to see he'll recover. I wonder if Kirk and Spock will serve with him again?

I'm pretty sure Spock is the "original" first officer. He promotes Spock up to acting captain when he leaves the ship.

So much for Number One, then... Would have been nice to see who they might have tapped to play her.

Come to think of it, so much for the Talosians, since apparently this all means that "The Menagerie" can't happen as it originally did.

ADMIRAL Pike?

OH YEAH! I forgot all about that... suprise!!!

I do like the sound of that...Admiral Christopher Pike.

But does this mean there's a flash-forward at the end of the film where Kirk makes Captain (for real, this time) and is given permanent command of the Enterprise? The spoilers I'd just read here, said that Kirk only got the ship while Pike recovered from his injuries.

I didn't get the impression that the last scene was a flash forward. Especially since in the last scene on the bridge Spock requests to fill the position of first officer.

Okay, now you lost me.

What I had earlier read, in this thread, suggested this:

- At the end of the film, Kirk is still a Cadet by actual rank.
- He is given TEMPORARY command of the Enterprise by Starfleet, for only however long it takes for Pike to recover from his injuries.
- At which point it would be understood that Pike would once again become Captain of the Enterprise, and Kirk would presumably have to return to the Academy to continue his studies.

Are you telling me, then, that it is not the case? Didn't you just say that Kirk's captaincy of the ship at film's end is only supposed to be temporary? It was in this post. Quote:

It's not a perm rank at the end of the film, they specifically state it is relief Captain for Pike.

Did I misinterpret you?

I really hope that those old rumors aren't true. Meaning, that Kirk would go straight from Cadet to permanent Captain. Doesn't this sound as silly to you as it does to me?

It's not a massive flash forward maybe a couple of weeks i would guess, as i said before pike probably pulled some strings to get kirk the command as he sees something in kirk that shows he can be a great captain, so my impression was that kirk had the command, pike just used the temporary command to get him in the chair.

Lovely. Straight out of the academy, Kirk gets the permanent - permanent - captaincy of the Enterprise in only a couple of WEEKS? And I'm the only one who has a problem with that?

DS9 viewers threw a fit when Red Squad got their own Defiant-class ship ("Valiant"), but this one gets a free pass? Just because it's Kirk?

On the other hand...

I mean, they state right in the scene where he's getting his medal that he would be a relief captain for Pike, and the flash forward scene can't be much after the medal scene, so I think the audience is supposed to believe that it is a temporary assignment. If you tie it back to TOS, and if this Enterprise is brand new, that means there must be more Pike adventures where he is in command.

So which one of you is right?

Baba, for Pete's sake, stop badgering the poor guy; you're asking the same questions over and over. This isn't an interrogation; he's doing us a favor -- all of us.

 

[Neftoon]

although they still had a fleet at the lakara( don't know if that's how it's spelt) system so not all the ships got destroyed fortunately, the escape is mentioned from the klingon prison but not shown. So as Iano mentioned hopefully on the blu-ray (or dvd).

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to badger anyone. Nef, Iano, please accept my apologies.

 

[Iano]

How badly is Starfleet (and the Federation) crippled in the film?


Are there any Klingons in the film?

Klingons no, although everyone keeps talking about a deleted scene with Klingons that might end up on the DVD.

Crippled...

Spoiler: Battle Spoiler

They sent out a bunch of ships to confront the Narada. When the Enterprise arrives they've all been decimated. So yeah they get tore up. The Enterprise would've been destroyed easily except Nemo halted the attack recognizing the ship name.

Interesting. So is the Kobyashi Maru simulation that same set of circumstances as it is in TWOK? Or is it just a similar no win situation?

Most definitely, and its the best part of the movie imo.

 

[Iano]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to badger anyone. Nef, Iano, please accept my apologies.

Hey no worries.

 

[Neftoon]

Pines performance in the kobayashi maru was awesome, karl urban was also good in that seen.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Pines performance in the kobayashi maru was awesome, karl urban was also good in that seen.

I can already tell that Karl Urban is gonna be one of the best actors in this whole film. From what I've seen, he absolutely NAILED the persona of Dr. McCoy. (Especially in that one shuttle scene.) I think De Kelley would be proud.

I'm already trying to work out when the Blu-Ray is likely to be released.

 

[Neftoon]

No worries i keep forgetting how detail oriented people, i should have stressed it was just my impression, i just hope people see it at least once before deciding if they like it, i think it's going to be a great companion piece to the original series, as nothing will ever replace the original series and i don't think they tried to do that with this film thankfully.

 

[Iano]

Pines performance in the kobayashi maru was awesome, karl urban was also good in that seen.

I can already tell that Karl Urban is gonna be one of the best actors in this whole film. From what I've seen, he absolutely NAILED the persona of Dr. McCoy. (Especially in that one shuttle scene.) I think De Kelley would be proud.

I'm already trying to work out when the Blu-Ray is likely to be released.

Agreed! He nails it on several occasions and so do many of the other actors and actresses. I was very impressed on how well the cast resembles the original crew in persona.

 

[Neftoon]

Pines performance in the kobayashi maru was awesome, karl urban was also good in that seen.

I can already tell that Karl Urban is gonna be one of the best actors in this whole film. From what I've seen, he absolutely NAILED the persona of Dr. McCoy. (Especially in that one shuttle scene.) I think De Kelley would be proud.

I'm already trying to work out when the Blu-Ray is likely to be released.

Urban is fantastic in the film, in my opinion he had the hardest job of all the actors in replacing de, and he does a fine job.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

As long as they leave it somewhat openended at the conclusion of the film (as to whether Pike can once again assume command), I'm okay with it. Strange as it may sound, I'm not a Pike fanboy, nor do I have anything against Kirk as a character. I guess I'm just too attached to the regular chain of command. The idea of a cadet - any cadet - going straight to a permanent captaincy, of a major ship of the line no less, does not exactly fire me up. If Pike retains command of the ship, but decides to keep Kirk on the crew and eventually - after several years - does give him the job permanently, I can believe that. I hope the film allows for that possibility. (It would be interesting, as I don't believe Kirk and Pike ever actually served together in TOS.) But in the meantime, let Kirk spend some time - no matter how short - as an Ensign, LT JG, Lieutenant, LCDR, and CDR before he makes Captain. Doesn't that make sense?

 

[Neftoon]

As long as they leave it somewhat openended at the conclusion of the film (as to whether Pike can once again assume command), I'm okay with it. Strange as it may sound, I'm not a Pike fanboy, nor do I have anything against Kirk as a character. I guess I'm just too attached to the regular chain of command. The idea of a cadet - any cadet - going straight to a permanent captaincy, of a major ship of the line no less, does not exactly fire me up. If Pike retains command of the ship, but decides to keep Kirk on the crew and eventually - after several years - does give him the job permanently, I can believe that. I hope the film allows for that possibility. (It would be interesting, as I don't believe Kirk and Pike ever actually served together in TOS.) But in the meantime, let Kirk spend some time - no matter how short - as an Ensign, LT JG, Lieutenant, LCDR, and CDR before he makes Captain. Doesn't that make sense?

It does and it is open ended in the film so you don't have to worry, going to have lunch and watch property ladder now so have fun everyone.

 

[Captain X]

I'm still curious whether Nero recognized this as an AU or not like apparently old Spock does.