World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

[Augustus]

In life sometimes the bad guy wins the battle.

Yeah especially when that bad guy is from 100 years in the future....

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Well, this will certainly throw a wrench into what could happen in an Abramsverse Voyager, since obviously Tuvok can never be born now that Vulcan is destroyed.

Don't know about Saavik, though. How old is she when we first meet her? Could she still exist in the Abramsverse?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

In life sometimes the bad guy wins the battle.

Yeah especially when that bad guy is from 100 years in the future....

And can waste a fleet of your ships with just one.

 

[Iano]

Anyone else happy about seeing the kobayashi maru thing with Kirk? I am very glad and happy they are showing this!

Hands down my favorite part in the movie. Hilarious and memorable scene.

 

[urbandk]

in re question from other thread, there is even a nod to the Farragut.

 

[Brent]

What about all those other Vulcans out there in the galaxy who go back home for the Pon Far every 7 years, I guess they'll have to make do with what they got

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Maybe in the coming years some of these guys who are stuck in their ways and not willing to accept anything new or different will disappear from Trek fandom, and this new Star Trek will bring in a lot of new fans who are excited for the new direction.

Ideally, we would see in coming years new material to satisfy BOTH fandoms.

I am sick of this attitude towards the "old school" fandom that has cropped up now three different places in my entertainment life (Marvel Comics, old BSG/nuBSG, and now Trek).

To wit:

"You basement-dwelling virgin fanbois need to sit down, shut up, and accept that there's no place for you in OUR fandom. You're yesterday's news. You're obsolete, and no longer either needed or wanted. Go play with your action figures so we can forget you ever existed. (Never mind that without you 'we' wouldn't have a franchise to enjoy the reboot of...)"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

What about all those other Vulcans out there in the galaxy who go back home for the Pon Far every 7 years, I guess they'll have to make do with what they got

I don't think they have to go *home*, they just have to get it on with a handy Vulcan woman. (Not sure if pon farr can be satiated with a non-Vulcan partner)

 

[Jefferies]

Maybe we should just wait until we see the movie to see how it all works out in context eh

Eh. We know Vulcan is destroyed by Nero. Of all his targets, that was probably his sweetest. Maybe there was nothing that could be done to stop him. Total surprise. Dumb luck. Maybe lessons learned from trying to stop him there saved Earth. True, we don't know. Still, it's a hell of a thing to have happen. Compared to V-Ger or the probe, it's a helluva thing our heroes couldn't stop. Makes them a little less heroic. Probably billions of people dying all at once. A planet erased. Given what happened to Spock when the Intrepid was destroyed, I wonder if he'll feel the death of those billions.

Maybe this is the reason Spock is acting rather cranky in the trailers? Maybe it did in fact unhinge him. As you, I would certainly expect Spock to be utterly devastated and griefstricken (in his own way of course). The large loss of life would be unconsolable to him, especially if one considers his reactions in "The Immunity Syndrome".

 

[Brent]

What about all those other Vulcans out there in the galaxy who go back home for the Pon Far every 7 years, I guess they'll have to make do with what they got

I don't think they have to go *home*, they just have to get it on with a handy Vulcan woman. (Not sure if pon farr can be satiated with a non-Vulcan partner)

In Voyager it was said that they typically do go home to take care of this problem, gettin it on with a mate or fighting for her. I guess they won't be able to go home anymore, they'll have to make do where they are at, if a Vulcan mate is near, her, if not I hope it works with alien women! It is a very private thing, and even in the 24th century not much is know about it. Kind of hard to keep secret now with no home to go to when the time is near.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

But Nero destroying Vulcan makes it FAIL for our heroes, to me, anyway. They figured out the incredible V-Ger and saved Earth. They figured out the mysterious probe in TVH and saved Earth. But they couldn't stop a 24th century miner before he committed the most heinous act in the galaxy.

Some days, the bear eats you.

Anyway, why should these wet-behind-the-ears young officers be nearly as good as the Admiral Kirk who saves Earth from V'Ger?

 

[Captain59]

What about all those other Vulcans out there in the galaxy who go back home for the Pon Far every 7 years, I guess they'll have to make do with what they got

I don't think they have to go *home*, they just have to get it on with a handy Vulcan woman. (Not sure if pon farr can be satiated with a non-Vulcan partner)

In the Mirror Universe, Trip satisfied T'Pol's pon farr episode, so it is possible.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

A review from someone in Sydney at AICN:

I was genuinely involved from beginning to end. The dynamic between Kirk, Spock, McCoy and company was captured in spades. And that is what JJ Abrams does so well. He creates extremely complex and interesting characters set against an often fantastical backdrop. What's even more impressive is that he didn't create these characters. He took characters that had already been well established within Trek cannon and gave them a fresh perspective.

As for the acting - Kudos all around. But the standout for me was Zachary Quinto. This came as a surprise since I truly loathe his character Sylar on Heroes. I always thought he looked the part but I wasn't sure he could pull off walking the fine line between logic and emotion that Nimoy did so well. But he did, and I salute him.

Other random observations: Anton Yelchin's Chekov was hilarious. Eric Bana's Nero seemed genuinely pissed during the entire film (which I found particularly refreshing given that the last Star Trek villain was a pouty little bitch) Winona Ryder's Amanda Grayson was surprisingly moving given that she had such a small role. Simon Pegg, also hilarious. The Narada...badass and the inside looks like a serious hazard to be walking around on. Planet destruction...I'd like to see more of this. And the opening scene with the attack on the USS Kelvin was breathtaking.

 

[Iano]

Maybe we should just wait until we see the movie to see how it all works out in context eh

Eh. We know Vulcan is destroyed by Nero. Of all his targets, that was probably his sweetest. Maybe there was nothing that could be done to stop him. Total surprise. Dumb luck. Maybe lessons learned from trying to stop him there saved Earth. True, we don't know. Still, it's a hell of a thing to have happen. Compared to V-Ger or the probe, it's a helluva thing our heroes couldn't stop. Makes them a little less heroic. Probably billions of people dying all at once. A planet erased. Given what happened to Spock when the Intrepid was destroyed, I wonder if he'll feel the death of those billions.

Maybe this is the reason Spock is acting rather cranky in the trailers? Maybe it did in fact unhinge him. As you, I would certainly expect Spock to be utterly devastated and griefstricken (in his own way of course). The large loss of life would be unconsolable to him, especially if one considers his reactions in "The Immunity Syndrome".

You're right on the money, he is very much impacted by the loss of Vulcan.

 

[section9]

What about all those other Vulcans out there in the galaxy who go back home for the Pon Far every 7 years, I guess they'll have to make do with what they got

I don't think they have to go *home*, they just have to get it on with a handy Vulcan woman. (Not sure if pon farr can be satiated with a non-Vulcan partner)

Of course it can. Otherwise, no Spock, eh?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

What about all those other Vulcans out there in the galaxy who go back home for the Pon Far every 7 years, I guess they'll have to make do with what they got

I don't think they have to go *home*, they just have to get it on with a handy Vulcan woman. (Not sure if pon farr can be satiated with a non-Vulcan partner)

Of course it can. Otherwise, no Spock, eh?

There's no evidence that Sarek was in pon farr when he and Amanda conceived Spock. Vulcans can surely have sex at any time.

 

[section9]

I think I know where the Abrams is going with the remaining Vulcans in the Abramsverse. In the Abramsverse, as in all Star Trek, the Vulcans have been cast out of the Temple to wander the universe (similar to what happened to the Jews after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. by General Titus). Don't be surprised in the remaining Vulcans end up on a newly terraformed Mars or something like that.

 

[Kokomo]

I just have a few questions:

-Pike was in a wheelchair at the end? Please explain.
-How did the Kobayashi Maru scenario play out? Well?
-How much of Starfleet Academy do we see? Is Spock there at all?

Thanks!!!

 

[Brent]

I think someone asked it above, but what is up with the beam coming down near San Fran? Does it do much damage?

 

[Jefferies]

What about all those other Vulcans out there in the galaxy who go back home for the Pon Far every 7 years, I guess they'll have to make do with what they got

I don't think they have to go *home*, they just have to get it on with a handy Vulcan woman. (Not sure if pon farr can be satiated with a non-Vulcan partner)

Of course it can. Otherwise, no Spock, eh?

Biologically, it really only makes sense if Spock was concieved through in vitro hybridization. I don't see totally unrelated species like humans and vulcans "mating" otherwise and even that is something of a stretch and would probably require a hell of lot of genetic engineering that hasn't been invented yet.