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Things I love about Star Trek

Thor Damar

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Hello all,

In the spirit of The's thread on what we hated about Star Trek, I am proud to present the unofficial 'what we love about Star Trek' thread to honor everything that makes ST great. So please join me in saluting the Star Treks that we all remember; the great characters, societies,plots and anything else that made us Trek fans.

I'll kick things off with my little list of all the good things:

1) The general message of Star Trek itself: yes many of us have our criticisms of GR's future but the basic optimistic message still has meaning. In a world of cynicism, war and depression, the mere fact that ST holds to the vision that we can all better ourselves is quite heartwarming to me.

2) The acting skills: Although this is not true for every actor who has appeared onscreen, the various ST series have showcased a terrific lineup of acting prowess. From William Shatner to Avery Brooks playing the melodramatic leaders of men to Patrick Stewart's scholar Captain.
Not to mention the superb guest stars like Marc Alaimo, Casey Briggs and Jeff combs for example.

3) Deep Space Nine: This is my favorite series of Trek and it really set a new standard for popular sci-fi. It dealt with the subject of Religion, War and politics in a genuinely thought provoking way. It was darker but it had real moments of humor and one of the finest sets of characters ever seen on a Sci-Fi show.
Thank the prophets for the DS9R novels!

4) The Cardassians: What can I say about those Magifecant Scaly Bastards (or MSB) here we have a complex race thorn between loyatly to their State or to their consciences. At first the Cardassians are seen as a ruthless dishonorable race of oppressors with no redeeming qualties but as we got to know more about them, the Cardassians became a sophisticated society with an interesting take on issues such as freedom, the law and the role of the state. Without the MSB we would not have had some of the most dramatic stories of ST (the occupation of Bajor, the Dominion War and most importantly the Cardassian's redemption). I salute those wonderful reptiles.

The Romulans: The green blooded masters of stealth, those past masters of Machiavellian politics and the honorable warriors who march under the Raptors Wings. In my opinion they stole the show every time they appeared and proved to be a worthy foe. And the Warbird is a great ship design of course.

5) The great characters: What other show has produced such memorable characters? From Spock to Quark, Dukat to Martok and so many others, it has been a delight to see the growth in their personalities, circumstances and in some cases their spectacular downfalls.
All a tribute to the fine writing and the work that the actors have put into the series.

Anyway this is my short preliminary list, I will and more later but it would be great to see what everyone else loves about Star Trek, so please fire away:bolian:
 
I love the integration of classic works, not just limited to Shakespeare, into the various series.
I also actually like the Time Travel episodes. I loved the Temporal Cold War.

I think one of the things that I wished they fleshed out more, would be the Mirror Universe. They could have made a movie on it. How the Terran Empire re surges and destroys the Klingon-Cardassian alliance and attempts to conquer the Mainverse.
 
I love the integration of classic works, not just limited to Shakespeare, into the various series.
I also actually like the Time Travel episodes. I loved the Temporal Cold War.

I think one of the things that I wished they fleshed out more, would be the Mirror Universe. They could have made a movie on it. How the Terran Empire re surges and destroys the Klingon-Cardassian alliance and attempts to conquer the Mainverse.

^ Yeah, I would watch that:rommie:.

Good point about Shakespeare and the classics, it does make the show even stronger and more enjoyable.
 
It's fun.

I love the hopeful vision of our future.

Great characters whose relationships are touching, emotionally powerful and sometimes just hilarious. My personal favorites are Trip and Archer, Shran and Talas, Soval and Archer, Kirk, Spock and McCoy, Uhura and just about anybody, Sarek and Amanda, Picard and Q, Sisko and Jadzia, Garak and Bashir, O'Brien and Bashir, Odo and Quark, the unlikely but adorable Leeta and Rom, The Doctor and Seven of Nine.

The good stories outnumber the bad.

And every once in a while, an episode takes me by complete surprise and some of those cliffhangers left my jaw on the floor (BoBW, Azati Prime are particular standouts for me).
 
Hopeful vision? Endless interstellar war, a contiuum riddled with time-travel, lunatic megalomaniacs behind every asteroid, planet-destroying weapons, countless varieties of plague, and civilization's best defense a group of aging, ultra-conservative, self-serving, politically-motivated bureaucrats in Starfleet?
 
I love the complex, multifacted cosmos filled with planets, characters and history that can be used forever to spin off more terrific stories. And as full of themselves as Starfleet can be, its unapologetically imperialistic mission to spread Federation values throughout the universe is the key element that makes Star Trek different from all other space opera.

And Starfleet has spiffy uniforms! :bolian: The late-DS9 ones are the best.

Hopeful vision? Endless interstellar war, a contiuum riddled with time-travel, lunatic megalomaniacs behind every asteroid, planet-destroying weapons, countless varieties of plague, and civilization's best defense a group of aging, ultra-conservative, self-serving, politically-motivated bureaucrats in Starfleet?

All space opera has that. Star Trek sends the message that even with that crap, their ideals will triumph in the end.

And if you want depressing, check out nuBSG. :rommie:
 
Hopeful vision? Endless interstellar war, a contiuum riddled with time-travel, lunatic megalomanicas behind every asteroid, planet-destroying weapons, countless varieties of plague, and civilization's best defense a group of aging, ultra-conservative, self-serving, politically-motivated bureaucrats in Starfleet?
Well, it's hopeful in the sense that we're still here 200 years from now...
 
At its best: scifi exploration and adventure, strange new worlds and new civilizations, social commentary in a scifi setting, and a hopeful message couched in enough escapism and space battles to make it all fun. :)
 
Man, what don't I love about Trek?

...what?

Oh yeah. See my thread. Right. :angel:


Seriously, I love Trek for the characters, first, the concepts, second, and the stories, third. I never understood why my dad liked the old Star Trek series and movies as I was growing up. Then, NextGen debuted and I decided to try it out with him, since it was supposed to be "my generation" of Star Trek. And, it was up to Patrick Stewart as Captain "Awesome" Picard that grabbed me and held me fast in his triumphant, commanding voice of "Make It So!"

From NextGen I learned to understand what the Trek universe was all about. Then, it was fun for me to go explore TOS and its movies, knowing what I know from Picard's time. It was fun to see how "basic" technology was for Kirk's era. This then made me appreciate how much harder those guys had to work at doing what they did. No holodecks and Captain's Yacht for these soldiers. They were hard-working, hard-fighting, and hard-drinking comrades trailblazing into the unknown. And I totally fell in love and understood what all the "Trekkies" were crazy over.

And then came Deep Space Nine. Until then, Trek was damn good. But, with the advent of DS9 (and especially it's later seasons) Trek hit the roof for me. I became obsessed with Sisko and his band of brothers-in-arms. While Kirk and Picard were exploring the unknown, Sisko was guarding our own backyard. I loved the mature levels of stories and content, exploring all the things Trek had never touched on. I still miss it to this day.

Enterprise was fantastic in a "I love these characters" kind of way. But, their stories were severly lacking. And then there's Voyager. The one Trek show I cannot watch. It scores bottom-rank for me across the board. Characters, acting, stories, designs, concepts, actors.....it is the retread-bottom-barrel of every Trek, and yet accomplishes nothing of its own. I ignore Voyager. But, that's for MY thread, not this one... ;)

So, in a round-about way, that's what I love about Star Trek! :techman:
 
Hello all,

In the spirit of The's thread on what we hated about Star Trek, I am proud to present the unofficial 'what we love about Star Trek' thread to honor everything that makes ST great. So please join me in saluting the Star Treks that we all remember; the great characters, societies,plots and anything else that made us Trek fans.

Does this mean we can love ~with hate?~? :)

I kid, of course. Here's what I love about Trek:

-the Whimsy: Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and the rest of the TOS Big Seven were dashing. They were cool in a quintessential 60s way. Even better, each of the Big Seven embodied an aspect of cool, where even Scotty was cool simply because he was so damn reliable. Whenever anyone beamed down, their bodies made silhouettes of cool, standing around as if they were the Rat Pack in Space. You half-expected a lit cigarette as standard away team gear.

-the un-Whimsy: DS9 is great. Part of that greatness was meshing big and bright Starfleet with different characters of various trustworthiness (even popular and affable Morn is a smuggler!), surrounded by the almost neo-gothic look of the Cardassian station. What results from the culture clashes is a great examination of what makes Starfleet so good. In order for humanity to become great, some rather grim n' gritty things had to happen.

-(non-romantic) Dynamic Duos: Kirk and Spock. Spock and McCoy. Data and LaForge. Bashir and O'Brien. Paris and Kim. Quark and Odo. Somehow, Trek had a knack for showing great friendships that survive nearly everything, even if the characters deny that they're friends!

-the TNG Poker Games: I love this merry band of cheaters.

-Photon torpedoes: The weapon's name by itself sounds powerful. Maybe that's because of all the hard consonant sounds?
 
DS9. Cardassians, most of all Damar.

Star Trek is fun and has great fan fiction potential, and I love that.

I love the novels, the uniforms, most of the main characters (especially people like Kira and Sisko), and the general feel of that fictional universe. It makes me happy.
 
^ Too right! that's why I've got this avatar and username. Thor, after my favorite pagan God and Damar after the greatest Cardassian ever seen. (Damar, Cardassian God of thunder!)
Damar MADE season 7 in my opinion.
 
I obviously agree with all who have included Cardassians on their list! I think they're probably the most well-rounded Trek species (ironic, considering their government), sometimes even more so than humanity. There was definite diversity of thought among them and I loved that. Not to mention one of the best makeup jobs...sure, it wasn't non-humanoid exotic, or even Jem'Hadar exotic, but it was damned effective, that's for sure. I also adore their architecture, and most of their clothing choices, too. (Obviously "The Wounded" is off the list, when it comes to clothing!)

I loved DS9 for lifting the lid on the supposed utopia and starting to explore what might lie underneath. It's all well and good to talk about lofty ideals--but I loved seeing what happened when those were REALLY put to the test. "In the Pale Moonlight." Need I say more?

I LOVE the character development on DS9. Unparalleled!

I love TOS literature. All of the cameraderie, all of the brashness of the 23rd-century Starfleet without the camp. And a lot of artistic imagination on the part of the writers. Yes...I do enjoy the extensive canon we have now, but I also love the incredible freedom those writers had.

It used to be I could have added more to the list. But TNG is now a memory I don't want to disturb for fear of degrading the good things that are left. I've changed and become something of a hardline Niner because of it. What used to ring true with me no longer does, not in the same way. (Now, Voyager I couldn't stand and Enterprise and TOS...I don't know that I've really watched enough of either to make a fair judgment.)
 
I LOVE the character development on DS9. Unparalleled!

Agreed on all points, but this line right here I just had to mention along with Casey Biggs. The guy was a genius with his character. I remember the first few episodes with Damar and just hating the guy for being a sniveling, sneering opportunistic right-hand man with no guts for himself (and this was even before the war!). But as he gained more and more screen time, I started to wonder why I hated Damar so much, and reasoned that it was because of Biggs' excellent acting. He went out of his way to make Damar memorable, as villain and as conflicted pawn. Damar under any other actor would have been a far lesser character.
 
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