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Moon Base

Can someone explain in detail why we don't have a Moon base right now?

All that needs to be done is the design and construction of a space vehicle capable of transporting capsules to the Moon and then releasing them to the surface. The capsule can then be fitted together to create something not unlike the International space station. Russia could design and build a few capsules, the ESA could design and build a few capsules, NASA could design and build a few capsules and just send them to the moon.

What's the hold up? Even if each space agency only built 3 capsules each that's 6 capsules for an initial Moon base.
 
Can someone explain in detail why we don't have a Moon base right now?

All that needs to be done is the design and construction of a space vehicle capable of transporting capsules to the Moon and then releasing them to the surface. The capsule can then be fitted together to create something not unlike the International space station. Russia could design and build a few capsules, the ESA could design and build a few capsules, NASA could design and build a few capsules and just send them to the moon.

What's the hold up? Even if each space agency only built 3 capsules each that's 6 capsules for an initial Moon base.
Not that simple. Even with experience with Mir and the ISS, we still don't have enough construction and design experience to build an off world long-term habitat. The agencies have a good idea(s) on how to do it, but nothing that's cheap, easy to build, easy to keep up, and easy to get there in the first place.
 
but nothing that's cheap, easy to build, easy to keep up, and easy to get there in the first place.

I find that hard to believe. With the capabilities, designers and industry we have on this planet you're telling me they can't build some air tight capsules with the necessary electronics and equipment and a space craft to get them there with? if they can build such things as submarines that can spend months at a time under the oceans i'm sure they can build a few capsules for a moon base.

I could build a moon base capsule myself from scrap metal from the scrap yard if I had the time and motivation to do it.
 
but nothing that's cheap, easy to build, easy to keep up, and easy to get there in the first place.

I find that hard to believe. With the capabilities, designers and industry we have on this planet you're telling me they can't build some air tight capsules with the necessary electronics and equipment and a space craft to get them there with? if they can build such things as submarines that can spend months at a time under the oceans i'm sure they can build a few capsules for a moon base.

I could build a moon base capsule myself from scrap metal from the scrap yard if I had the time and motivation to do it.
Yes, we don't have the means to do it cheap and easy. A submarine is far different a creature than something that's going to be millions of miles away from any sort of rescue or support base-- with the closest "support" being days if not weeks away-- in an environment far less forgiving that the ocean.
 
Can someone explain in detail why we don't have a Moon base right now?

All that needs to be done is the design and construction of a space vehicle capable of transporting capsules to the Moon and then releasing them to the surface. The capsule can then be fitted together to create something not unlike the International space station. Russia could design and build a few capsules, the ESA could design and build a few capsules, NASA could design and build a few capsules and just send them to the moon.

Yes, I suspect we could build a moon base if we have the motivation and sufficient funds. But there are significant challenges.

For example:

Temperature. The Moon's surface is 100C (~200 F) during the day and -150C (-250 F) during the night. No building or machine on Earth can stand up to those temperatures for a long period of time. Even the Apollo landers and the space suits the astronauts used were thrown away after a few days use. It would take significant technological research to overcome these problems. Vacuum damage and brittleness due to extreme temperature would become very serious problems.

Meteorites. The Moon is constantly pelted by small rocks (and sometimes, larger ones) moving at high velocity. How are you going to make your habitat sufficiently durable and repairable and how are you going to cope with losing pressurization when such an event occurs?

Radiation. The Moon lacks the protective magnetic shield the Earth has. How do you protect your Moon Base occupants against long term exposure to higher background radiation without significantly increased risks of cancers, leukemia, etc.?

Resupply. Humans need a lot. Water, Air, Food. How do you keep even a dozen astronauts resupplied when the Moon is so incredibly barren it possesses none of these supplies for us to use? Are you going to launch a Saturn V sized booster every single week with these things on board? There may be water on the Moon at the icecaps -- but locating this and extracting it will require technology, time, and hard work.

The Base Itself. Either we mine the materials on the Moon and build the base from these or bring them from Earth. Either choice is expensive. We don't know how to Mine in climates without air and most of our building tools won't work. Alternatively, we're going to need many, many large rockets with our Moon Base components on them -- we're talking things far larger and heavier than the flimsy Apollo landers that we used to land on the Moon in 1969.

To give you some ideas about building with no air -- blasting (i.e. using explosives to clear an area) would be incredibly hazardous, with no atmosphere to slow down shards of Moon rock. Moon dust is pervasive, The Apollo astronauts reported it got *everywhere*, under their fingertips, they could taste it when they ate, etc. Can you imagine months and months of breathing that in?

Sure we could do it.

But the cost of addressing all these issues would need significant money to pay for research, prototypes, experiment, etc. Not to mention building of mining equipment, capsules, rockets, etc.

We're talking billions upon billions of dollars. Money that no-one's prepared to spend, quite frankly.
 
We're talking billions upon billions of dollars. Money that no-one's prepared to spend, quite frankly.
Maybe...maybe...if there was some military advantage to a moon base-- which there really isn't-- there might be some incentive.
 
but nothing that's cheap, easy to build, easy to keep up, and easy to get there in the first place.

I find that hard to believe. With the capabilities, designers and industry we have on this planet you're telling me they can't build some air tight capsules with the necessary electronics and equipment and a space craft to get them there with? if they can build such things as submarines that can spend months at a time under the oceans i'm sure they can build a few capsules for a moon base.

I could build a moon base capsule myself from scrap metal from the scrap yard if I had the time and motivation to do it.

Yes, but how would you get it to the moon?

Figure ten or so Saturn Vs to launch the base. Then you've got assembly, crewing and reprovisioning to take care of.

Considering we don't even *have* Saturn Vs any more, we're talking an investment which quickly approaches a trillion dollars. That's a lot of cash.
 
firstly..
NASA had plans for a Lunar base back in the 60s and 70s..
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lesrbase.htm
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/aesrbase.htm with 2 Saturn V launches to establish a base.. but the Vietnam war ate up too much of the available budget to allow for such plans..

Nasa's actual plans are for the 1st Return landing before 2020 to actually survey the base site with subsequent landings planned to set up a permanent base on the Lunar south pole..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/21/science/21nasa.html?_r=2&ref=us&oref=slogin
 
Yes But the water question is indeed a valid one to be sure.

Did I read a report once that we found frozen water on the moon so if we were to place the base a good 100 meters from said water source. The base could be self sustaining?.
If we were to build ION powered Low Earth Orbit to Luna Orbit Vessel with base materials on board or attached to said spacecraft fly it to the low moon orbit precisely over the frozen water deposit travel a 100 meters or so lower the containers and equipment to the surface by tether as not disturb the surface by expelling propellant,then Land a LEM with a crew of six to begin construction of the base using the containers as the shells for the base.


That is my 2 cents

Signed

Buck Rogers
 
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Technology is not the problem.

Werner VonBraun released plans to go to the moon and colonize it back in the early '50s.

The 'leaders' in Washington are the problem.
As they said in "The Right Stuff": "NO BUCKS, NO BUCK RODGERS."

.... remember that we have people in there who were born about the same time as the airplane....
 
Did I read a report once that we found frozen water on the moon so if we were to place the base a good 100 meters from said water source the base could the base be self sustaining?.

By collecting Moon dust and heating it up to 800 deg Celsius you can get water from it.
 
Did I read a report once that we found frozen water on the moon so if we were to place the base a good 100 meters from said water source the base could the base be self sustaining?.

By collecting Moon dust and heating it up to 800 deg Celsius you can get water from it.

I read that report, and it seems you'd need to mine tonnes of material to support even 6 astronauts. So, we still have the problems of mining -- also, where do you intend to get all that heat energy from?

Surely given your recently expressed beliefs in Miscellaneous, Nibiru would be a better place for a base? :rolleyes:
 
I read that report, and it seems you'd need to mine tonnes of material to support even 6 astronauts. So, we still have the problems of mining -- also, where do you intend to get all that heat energy from?

Mini nuclear reactors could power a heater. I watched a video and from what I could make out they got about a glass full of water from a bucket full of sand.

Surely given your recently expressed beliefs in Miscellaneous, Nibiru would be a better place for a base? :rolleyes:

That has nothing to do with this thread so i'm not sure why you've brought it up.
 
The main challenge of building a moon base is propulsion.

Building a habitat that can support people on the moon is the easy part. Habitat modules could be built right here on Earth. The hard part is getting them to the Moon. That would require accelerating them to 25,000 miles an hour and then decelerating them down to zero for a landing on the moon. That's a lot of rocket power, and a lot of fuel.
 
Can someone explain in detail why we don't have a Moon base right now?

All that needs to be done is the design and construction of a space vehicle capable of transporting capsules to the Moon and then releasing them to the surface. The capsule can then be fitted together to create something not unlike the International space station. Russia could design and build a few capsules, the ESA could design and build a few capsules, NASA could design and build a few capsules and just send them to the moon.

What's the hold up? Even if each space agency only built 3 capsules each that's 6 capsules for an initial Moon base.

Money.

Lack of resources on the moon to maintain a habitat (water, food, air).

But mostly money.

In case you haven't noticed we're in a bit of a world-wide recession. Not much desire to invest billions into something that won't offer much return.
 
Hi all,
I corrected my reply to this topic,and tend to agree with Tachyon Shield,about the use of nuclear reactors for power on the base,but could we use fusion instead to burn or liquefy the frozen water deposit?
Also since we have not discussed a green way of getting the Moon base built remember the moon has no atmosphere so solar powered fusion reactors could supply some of the needed energy needs for the base as a whole.

Thats all for now

Signed

Buck Rogers
 
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