he retired at 34 as captain; it does not specify how long he had held the rank of captain at that point.
Cadet to Captain...NOT!!!
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he retired at 34 as captain; it does not specify how long he had held the rank of captain at that point.
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He didn't go from shooting a few planes to captain, that's for sure.
Why would a cadet take the command while there are several officers of higher rank present? It makes no sense whatsoever.
You know, there's the teeny-tiny chance we will find out if it makes sense when we actually see this movie.
no they didnt..
but if you can actually find out where they say this.. groovy
but so far no has been able to back it up.
(ah i just saw the discussion of the silly ew article_)
by the way... cadets seem to be dressed in red.
and again he dosnt have to be a captain to take over the ship in an emergency....
freaking people watch tos....
grr...
all the time some lieutenant was assuming command.
heck during errand of mercy when spock and kirk were on organiania sulu was in command.
both when enterprise had to flee and later when she came back with other ships.
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the point of the scene from the trailer is that since they neither captain nor first officer (spock during this time is probably a lt commander) someone had to assume command.
if kirk at this time indeed is a lt then it wouldnt be odd for him to do so.. especially if he was a ranking lt.
or because pike left orders for him.
and considering the significant leaps in time through the movie from post nemesis to 30 something years pre tos, then later different leaps of time as we see kirk at different ages we wont know until the movie comes out just how much time has gone on since kirk entered the academy and the bridge scene where he assumes command.
except i believe some of the characters seem older.
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Come on now, don't be silly! That makes no sense. Form an opinion and conclusion based on actual evidence? Where do you think you are???
Certainly. Though I have a hard time imagining a situation which cadet taking command over several officers of higher rank would make sense. But of course, that does not necessarily even happen in the film. I was just responding to the guy that thought that cadet taking command would be totally fitting.
I didn't say it was "totally fitting" nor did I think that it was. I said I was willing to go with it because, as I stated, it's a trope. A literary cheat that's been used before and I don't have a major issue with it provided that it makes sense within context of the story being told.
For example, Midshipman's Hope provides a situation in which the senior midshipman gets placed in charge of the ship. It is thoroughly worked out by the author and shows the "how and why" Nick Seafort gets command.
If it is deftly handled by the writers as to the "how and why," then I'm perfectly willing to go with it. After all, it's fiction and doesn't have to follow reality to the letter. It just has to make sense, or be believable, within the context of the story being told.
Fo'sho.
I don't care if it's Kirk. *Nobody* makes Captain that fast. Not even if they're the best officer in the Fleet (which Kirk probably is not).
As for 'Lieutenant' Kirk taking command: Is Scotty already on the ship at this point? He's a qualified command officer, we all know it. So Scotty should have been able to take command. (I don't think Kirk is a cadet. As has been pointed out, cadets wear RED uniforms, which Kirk is not doing when he is on the ship)
As for 'Lieutenant' Kirk taking command: Is Scotty already on the ship at this point? He's a qualified command officer, we all know it. So Scotty should have been able to take command. (I don't think Kirk is a cadet. As has been pointed out, cadets wear RED uniforms, which Kirk is not doing when he is on the ship)
Sign up with Starfleet and you too can go from cadet to captain in no time! All it takes is for you to prevent your existence from being erased from the fabric of time and space.
Crazy Romulan bent on erasing you from existence requires a two hour movie degree
Crazy Romulan bent on erasing you from existence requires a two hour movie degree
Kirk is able to take command of the Enterprise as a cadet because the entire crew of the Enterprise is made up of cadets (with the exception of Pike, naturally, and possibly Spock).
Here, look: http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/08/star-trek-trailer-3-shot-by-shot-analysis/
TrekMovie did a break down of the third trailer a few weeks ago. If you scroll down to the twelfth and thirteenth pictures, you can see Uhura, Chekov and Sulu alongside McCoy and Kirk at the academy, and they're all decked in red cadet garb.
In the Abrams timeline, cadets can come out of the academy ranking anywhere between ensign and lieutenant commander apparently. They hand you your stripes once you step onto a starship.
Here, look: http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/08/star-trek-trailer-3-shot-by-shot-analysis/
TrekMovie did a break down of the third trailer a few weeks ago. If you scroll down to the twelfth and thirteenth pictures, you can see Uhura, Chekov and Sulu alongside McCoy and Kirk at the academy, and they're all decked in red cadet garb.
In the Abrams timeline, cadets can come out of the academy ranking anywhere between ensign and lieutenant commander apparently. They hand you your stripes once you step onto a starship.
Why in the world would McCoy be at the academy? He's a medical officer. Medical officers are usually recruited from the civilian Dr Population. If you're going to put a doctor on a starship you want someone who is already experienced, not someone fresh out of a 4 year academy.
That's why medical officers in TOS were alot older than the rest of the crew. Star fleet was a second career for them.
That's why medical officers in TOS were alot older than the rest of the crew. Star fleet was a second career for them.
Learning how not to flush his ass out the zero-gravity toilet. A medical degree doesn't make someone into a space explorer.
Learning how not to flush his ass out the zero-gravity toilet. A medical degree doesn't make someone into a space explorer.
McCoy isn't a space explorer he's a doctor. He's there to heel sick people. Sure he may go through a short officer training program, but not a four year program.
An institution like Starfleet has no reason to teach medicine. There are already plenty of institutions that do that. Star fleet's focus is teaching how to operate and maintain starships. Something you probably can't learn anywhere else.
The only way of getting around that was to say that Kirk was back at the Academy for command training.
But Occam's Razor says they probably just all graduated at the same time..
[sarcasm]Gee, I sure do love movies about military style organizations written by people who clearly know nothing about the military.[/sarcasm]
I'm still going to go see the movie. But I really don't like having my suspension of disbelief yanked around like that.
I would, because that would mean that every officer in the chain of command would have to be dead, absent, or derelict in his duty, leaving a cadet in charge. That's utterly ridiculous.
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Nobody goes from Cadet directly to Captain, even if they "save the day". The officer just doesn't have the training and experience.
As several people pointed out, we're seeing snippets of the movie jostled around out of sequence. Who knows what context we're actually seeing. Maybe the Captain and XO are killed and somehow Kirk ends up being the "acting captain" in the crisis moment. Then we fast forward a few years later when he has achieved the rank of captain. Or this is a simulation they're in, like the Kobayashi Maru. We can't know at this point and speculating accomplishes nothing but spreading confusion...
As several people pointed out, we're seeing snippets of the movie jostled around out of sequence. Who knows what context we're actually seeing. Maybe the Captain and XO are killed and somehow Kirk ends up being the "acting captain" in the crisis moment. Then we fast forward a few years later when he has achieved the rank of captain. Or this is a simulation they're in, like the Kobayashi Maru. We can't know at this point and speculating accomplishes nothing but spreading confusion...
Yet that was the premise of Midshipman's Hope by David Feintuch, which won the author the John W. Campbell Award for New Writer in 1996. Once again, it all boils down on how it is handled by the writer (s).
custer wasnt promoted because of any emergency situation. it was a clerical error. after the war he was demoted down to lieutenant colonel.
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