If THE CAGE never happens in this timeline...

[EJA]

....How will you feel? Personally, I'd be more than a little peeved off if this film erases the very first episode of TOS, which IMHO was one of the best.

 

[Michael]

Why do you think it will?

 

[urbandk]

it seems that there will still be a period of time in which pike is in command of the enterprise and spock serves with him. during this period before kirk comes aboard, they could have visited talos iv. it is more likely that the menagerie might not occur, but such thoughts are just speculation.

 

[soot]

I still think it's rather unlikely that this team will outright contradict anything from the the original series, simply because the show dealt with the characters' history so little I don't see why the movie would have any trouble fitting into their past at one point or another.

If they did, I'd be a little disappointed, but not terribly. The Cage is great on its own; if this movie doesn't function as a prequel to it that's fine.

 

[blaXXer]

....How will you feel? Personally, I'd be more than a little peeved off if this film erases the very first episode of TOS, which IMHO was one of the best.

It WIIL have RAPED your CHILDHOOD!

j/k

 

[Green Shirt]

I still think it's rather unlikely that this team will outright contradict anything from the the original series,

I guess Pike is celebrating getting promoted to Fleet Captain in the bar at the same time young Kirk gets his ass kicked.

 

[The Academic]

The uniforms? What about the uniforms?
The uniforms of the crew of the U.S.S. Kelvin look very different when compared to the The Cage-style turtlenecks, although they should fall into the same timeframe...

[Honestly, sometimes my O.C.D. drives me mad!]

 

[EJA]

The uniforms? What about the uniforms?
The uniforms of the crew of the U.S.S. Kelvin look very different when compared to the The Cage-style turtlenecks, although they should fall into the same timeframe...

[Honestly, sometimes my O.C.D. drives me mad!]

Well the uniforms don't particularly bother me that much. It's more events I'm concerned about.

 

[Michael]

Again, what makes you think The Cage won't happen in this timeline?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It wouldn't make any difference to me. I already have "The Cage" on DVD.

 

[Procutus]

it seems that there will still be a period of time in which pike is in command of the enterprise and spock serves with him. during this period before kirk comes aboard, they could have visited talos iv. it is more likely that the menagerie might not occur, but such thoughts are just speculation.

I'm not so sure. The impression I've gotten from reading things here on the BBS for several months, is that the Enterprise is being launched for the first time when Kirk comes aboard; hence these events appear to take place during its maiden voyage.

If that is indeed the case, then I don't see how the events of 'The Cage' will occur in this revised time-frame.

 

[EJA]

it seems that there will still be a period of time in which pike is in command of the enterprise and spock serves with him. during this period before kirk comes aboard, they could have visited talos iv. it is more likely that the menagerie might not occur, but such thoughts are just speculation.

I'm not so sure. The impression I've gotten from reading things here on the BBS for several months, is that the Enterprise is being launched for the first time when Kirk comes aboard; hence these events appear to take place during its maiden voyage.

If that is indeed the case, then I don't see how the events of 'The Cage' will occur in this revised time-frame.

Indeed; that's what has me worried.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

It wouldn't make any difference to me. I already have "The Cage" on DVD.

Bingo, we have a winner.

 

[urbandk]

It wouldn't make any difference to me. I already have "The Cage" on DVD.

thank Kahless the timeline is safe! you know, i think this resolves just about every one of these threads where people are worried about "canon."

 

[darkshadow0001]

I still think it's rather unlikely that this team will outright contradict anything from the the original series, simply because the show dealt with the characters' history so little I don't see why the movie would have any trouble fitting into their past at one point or another.

If they did, I'd be a little disappointed, but not terribly. The Cage is great on its own; if this movie doesn't function as a prequel to it that's fine.

It's not really supposed to anyways, is it? I thought this was going to be some sort of "re-imagined" Star Trek.

 

[M'Sharak]

The uniforms? What about the uniforms?
The uniforms of the crew of the U.S.S. Kelvin look very different when compared to the The Cage-style turtlenecks, although they should fall into the same timeframe...

[Honestly, sometimes my O.C.D. drives me mad!]

Copy/pasting something I wrote in an earlier thread:

Isn't the Kelvin destroyed around the time Kirk is born? Which would make it around fifteen years before "the Cage". More than enough time for a uniform change.

Yes, at almost the same time. Twenty or twenty-one years, according to most timelines (2233-2254) and the Columbia's crash was supposed to have been eighteen years before the events seen in "The Cage". The uniforms worn by the Kelvin's crew and the Columbia's crew could easily have been very similar in style or design, and there'd be enough time for at least a couple of major uniform style changes to have occurred before the Cage/WNMHGB/TOS era.

 

[Cyke101]

As an offshoot, I'd be pleasantly surprised if we see in this movie just how Pike got into his accident that lead him to the wheel chair with horse-counting communication (hey, we know the time frame for this movie jumps around).

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

....How will you feel? Personally, I'd be more than a little peeved off if this film erases the very first episode of TOS, which IMHO was one of the best.

As others have pointed out, how do we know The Cage won't happen in this timeline? But even if it doesn't, you can say the same thing about every Star Trek episode -- why single out The Cage, especially considering that it really wasn't the first episode of TOS.

The general public never saw The Cage until 20 years after the series started -- not counting the footage from The Menagerie. Many viewers of Star Trek's original production run back in the late 1960s were unaware of the existence of The Cage, and they probably would have remained unaware if it wasn't for The Menagerie.

I like The Cage (although I personally don't list it among my favorites from TOS), but since Star Trek became popular way before anyone ever saw that episode (as a stand-alone episode), I don't particularly find it disturbing that it may not happen in this film's timeline.

 

[TOSTNGDS9VOYENT]

Well, if you want to be perfectly literal, which I could care less about, "The Cage" was well into Pikes stint as captain. Kirk would have gone to the academy and served on other ships long before becoming captain. Shatner and Nimoy were about 35 when they did TOS. So its Logical to assume that Kirk would have been in starfleet for ten years or more. Theres no such thing as, Cadet to Captain in one easy step. But since thats how the movie portays it, "The Cage" is, Out the window.

The real question is, what will all the canon obsessed fans do AFTER they see the movie and leave the theater cursing and swearing because JJ didn't make the movie just for them.

 

[The Academic]

The uniforms? What about the uniforms?
The uniforms of the crew of the U.S.S. Kelvin look very different when compared to the The Cage-style turtlenecks, although they should fall into the same timeframe...

[Honestly, sometimes my O.C.D. drives me mad!]

Copy/pasting something I wrote in an earlier thread:

Isn't the Kelvin destroyed around the time Kirk is born? Which would make it around fifteen years before "the Cage". More than enough time for a uniform change.

Yes, at almost the same time. Twenty or twenty-one years, according to most timelines (2233-2254) and the Columbia's crash was supposed to have been eighteen years before the events seen in "The Cage". The uniforms worn by the Kelvin's crew and the Columbia's crew could easily have been very similar in style or design, and there'd be enough time for at least a couple of major uniform style changes to have occurred before the Cage/WNMHGB/TOS era.

That would make sense, considering that Starfleet more often changes its styles than the big fashion houses in Paris or Milan. Thanks!