Fantastic Four reboot?

[The Borgified Corpse]

While I didn't think the 1st 2 movies were that good, I see nothing so fundamentally wrong that it needs a total continuity reboot. I'd recast a couple of roles and make the tone somewhat darker but that's about it.

Keep Michael Chiklis & Chris Evans. Chiklis was a perfect Thing. And Evans was the only one that brought any real life or charisma to the proceedings.
I never had a problem with Jessica Alba as the Invisible Woman. She wasn't great but I can't think of anyone else who could be much better.

I felt Ioan Gruffud was too much of a lightweight to carry the important role of Reed Richards. I'm not sure how much of it was acting & how much was writing. (I wonder how it work with Jeff Goldblum in the role.)

For gods sake, recast Dr. Doom. Julian McMahon clearly has no clue how to play a scenery chewing comic book villain. It's especially dismaying when you try to hold him up next to Ian McKellen as Magneto or Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin. (What about Hugo Weaving? We already know from V for Vendetta that he can carry a whole film acting behind a mask.)

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

weren't they actually mulling over a wonder twins movie concept a few years back?

Yeah, it was going to be a superhero comedy. Shawn Levy was attached to direct. This was around 2002/2003.

 

[Bad Bishop]

While I didn't think the 1st 2 movies were that good, I see nothing so fundamentally wrong that it needs a total continuity reboot. I'd recast a couple of roles and make the tone somewhat darker but that's about it.

Keep Michael Chiklis & Chris Evans. Chiklis was a perfect Thing. And Evans was the only one that brought any real life or charisma to the proceedings.
I never had a problem with Jessica Alba as the Invisible Woman. She wasn't great but I can't think of anyone else who could be much better.

Try harder. There must be lots of young actresses who don't need blue contacts and a wig to look blonde like Sue Storm.

 

[exodus]

While I didn't think the 1st 2 movies were that good, I see nothing so fundamentally wrong that it needs a total continuity reboot. I'd recast a couple of roles and make the tone somewhat darker but that's about it.

Keep Michael Chiklis & Chris Evans. Chiklis was a perfect Thing. And Evans was the only one that brought any real life or charisma to the proceedings.
I never had a problem with Jessica Alba as the Invisible Woman. She wasn't great but I can't think of anyone else who could be much better.

Try harder. There must be lots of young actresses who don't need blue contacts and a wig to look blonde like Sue Storm.

That's almost like saying Rupert Everett & Nathan Lane shouldn't be cast in straight roles because they gay.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Get rid of everyone except for Chiklis, who SHOULD be motioned captured for the Thing. I'm sorry, I know there are still a few stalwarts opposed to CGI (which are starting to sound like the die hard silent film fans who opposed the talkies. That went over well), but the Thing is the one character who has to be rendered in the computer.

I don't mind CGI where it's done well. King Kong, Gollum, the CGI scenes in Iron Man. But too often it's done very, very badly - The Mummy 2, Van Helsing, Ang Lee's Hulk etc. Okay, it will only get better as technology improves. But for my money, The Thing was very well done with make up and prosthetics, as was Hellboy. I don't see any need to do the Thing with CGI or mo-cap.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Wouldn't Thing be easier to do with CGI? He's basically a cgi rock creature circa Galaxy Quest.

 

[exodus]

Wouldn't Thing be easier to do with CGI? He's basically a cgi rock creature circa Galaxy Quest.

I hope not, I'd hate to see another actors role cut short like Edward Norton's was in favor of more CGI.

 

[Praetor]

While I didn't think the 1st 2 movies were that good, I see nothing so fundamentally wrong that it needs a total continuity reboot. I'd recast a couple of roles and make the tone somewhat darker but that's about it.

Keep Michael Chiklis & Chris Evans. Chiklis was a perfect Thing. And Evans was the only one that brought any real life or charisma to the proceedings.
I never had a problem with Jessica Alba as the Invisible Woman. She wasn't great but I can't think of anyone else who could be much better.

Try harder. There must be lots of young actresses who don't need blue contacts and a wig to look blonde like Sue Storm.

That's almost like saying Rupert Everett & Nathan Lane shouldn't be cast in straight roles because they gay.

Erm - not really. This is a physical thing, not a mannerism thing.

Alba couldn't pull it off. At all.

I'd argue it's mostly because she's a bad actress, but finding an actress who actually looks the way the character has been presented would have probably helped.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

It's too bad they can't keep Chiklis and Evans. They were great.

Yep.

Too bad Edward Norton's already got a superhero role because he'd be a good Reed Richards. How about Wentworth Miller instead. Or, assuming he isn't too buff: Ben Browder.

Anne Hathaway would look perfectly natural as a blonde. There's your Invisible Woman.

For Doctor Doom - Michael Emerson!

 

[Praetor]

I think Browder would be a better choice. I think Wentworth might be the too buff one. Anne Hathaway isn't bad either.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I'd argue it's mostly because she's a bad actress, but finding an actress who actually looks the way the character has been presented would have probably helped.

And mostly what I was referring to was that I don't agree that she's a bad actress. I haven't seen anything to single her out as a particularly good actress either, but the role wasn't written with a lot of depth to begin with. That's why I figure the casting of the Invisible Woman is largely irrelevant (compared to the miscasting of Reed Richards & Dr. Doom, which completely derailed the previous films, IMO).

As for her hair & make-up, I'd say they did a damn good job of selling Jessica Alba as a white woman. (Although I admit that they could have saved a step by just casting Scarlett Johansson in the first place.)

 

[CaptainCanada]

Too bad Edward Norton's already got a superhero role because he'd be a good Reed Richards. How about Wentworth Miller instead. Or, assuming he isn't too buff: Ben Browder.

Those guys are all too young, except maybe Browder, and his standard character template is pretty far off from Reed Richards.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

Browder's got the good 'ol boy action hero thing down, but I can't imagine him playing a science genius.

 

[Samurai8472]

I wonder if the rebooted Fantastic four movie will be more "Ultimate" based. The first two movies were heavily influenced by the family aspect of the Fantastic Four.

They were basically a 1 and a half hour family comedy.

 

[Praetor]

I'd argue it's mostly because she's a bad actress, but finding an actress who actually looks the way the character has been presented would have probably helped.

And mostly what I was referring to was that I don't agree that she's a bad actress. I haven't seen anything to single her out as a particularly good actress either, but the role wasn't written with a lot of depth to begin with. That's why I figure the casting of the Invisible Woman is largely irrelevant (compared to the miscasting of Reed Richards & Dr. Doom, which completely derailed the previous films, IMO).

As for her hair & make-up, I'd say they did a damn good job of selling Jessica Alba as a white woman. (Although I admit that they could have saved a step by just casting Scarlett Johansson in the first place.)

Fair enough.

 

[exodus]

Try harder. There must be lots of young actresses who don't need blue contacts and a wig to look blonde like Sue Storm.

That's almost like saying Rupert Everett & Nathan Lane shouldn't be cast in straight roles because they gay.

Erm - not really. This is a physical thing, not a mannerism thing.

Alba couldn't pull it off. At all.

I'd argue it's mostly because she's a bad actress, but finding an actress who actually looks the way the character has been presented would have probably helped.

I'm sorry, I'm not following. You'll have to explain to me what dying her hair blonde has to do with her acting skills.

 

[exodus]

While I didn't think the 1st 2 movies were that good, I see nothing so fundamentally wrong that it needs a total continuity reboot. I'd recast a couple of roles and make the tone somewhat darker but that's about it.

Keep Michael Chiklis & Chris Evans. Chiklis was a perfect Thing. And Evans was the only one that brought any real life or charisma to the proceedings.
I never had a problem with Jessica Alba as the Invisible Woman. She wasn't great but I can't think of anyone else who could be much better.

I felt Ioan Gruffud was too much of a lightweight to carry the important role of Reed Richards. I'm not sure how much of it was acting & how much was writing. (I wonder how it work with Jeff Goldblum in the role.)

For gods sake, recast Dr. Doom. Julian McMahon clearly has no clue how to play a scenery chewing comic book villain. It's especially dismaying when you try to hold him up next to Ian McKellen as Magneto or Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin. (What about Hugo Weaving? We already know from V for Vendetta that he can carry a whole film acting behind a mask.)

I didn't mind Gruffud or McMahon's acting, I did take issue with their motivation. Mcmahon had Dooms arrogance but not his passion.

Doom never seemed as ruthlessly driven as he should be, he didn't have the desire to dominate. He owned a billion dollar company but didn't seem to care about any of it nor did he seem obsessed at ruining Richards. Both him and Reed had the same flaw of not showing of their genius. Reed seemed to average, he never came across as the man lost in his work. He didn't even speak as if he wa a genius, niether did Doom. You also never got the sence they had a history as rivals either.

They should have made Doom a genius at robotics, that way they could introduce his Doombots as well as giving his own suit purpose. It would be better than having him generating electrical energy. It would give the FF an endless army as an obsticle. Also for everything Doom builds, Reed creates a device to counter act it. It would give a sense of both men trying to out do each other.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ To be fair, while I'm not opposed to 'colour blind' casting (eg Michael Clarke Duncan made an excellent Kingpin) I think even dying the hair of the patently Latina Alba never made you think for one second that she could convince as the sister of the patently Anglo-Saxon Chris Evans.

 

[exodus]

^ To be fair, while I'm not opposed to 'colour blind' casting (eg Michael Clarke Duncan made an excellent Kingpin) I think even dying the hair of the patently Latina Alba never made you think for one second that she could convince as the sister of the patently Anglo-Saxon Chris Evans.

Alba doesn't look completely Latino either. Even many Hispanic people didn't know she was until she came out and said so in an interview. Alba has never played up her heritage.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^Maybe not, but she still doesn't look convincing as Chris Evans' sister. IMHO, anyway.