A Semi-Hater Revisits Voyager
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I hope to see season 2 soon. I would love to see you do Enterprise as well. I think that the only show not to have a problem its first season was TOS. All of the others had rough first seasons. Although, my favorite first season, other than TOS, was ENT. It was fun and not afraid to make it's characters flawed and human. I am sure I am in the minority here.
P.S. My favorite series is actually DS9 then, TOS, ENT, TNG, and VOY.
I hope to see season 2 soon. I would love to see you do Enterprise as well. I think that the only show not to have a problem its first season was TOS. All of the others had rough first seasons. Although, my favorite first season, other than TOS, was ENT. It was fun and not afraid to make it's characters flawed and human. I am sure I am in the minority here.
P.S. My favorite series is actually DS9 then, TOS, ENT, TNG, and VOY.
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I do actually plan to rewatch Enterprise once I'm finished Voyager since I haven't seen any of that show since it ended, but I don't consider myself an Enterprise hater so I'm not sure if I could get away with doing a thread about it.
I managed to borrow the second season at the weekend, but I'm currently suffering from a flu and I don't want my objectivity about the episodes to be compromised by how uncomfortable I am currently feeling. Hopefully I'll feel better tomorrow, but if not then I should begin the next season this week some time.
I do actually plan to rewatch Enterprise once I'm finished Voyager since I haven't seen any of that show since it ended, but I don't consider myself an Enterprise hater so I'm not sure if I could get away with doing a thread about it.
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Since we are discussing season 1 episodes....
I watched "Emanations" and "Prime Factors" on Sunday and discovered a blooper in"Emanations".
When they are inside the cave on that asteroid and Torres suddenly spots a dead body, you can clearly see the "dead body" moving its head slightly. Then Torres says: "It's a humanoid, it is dead".
Obviously not!
Since we are discussing season 1 episodes....
I watched "Emanations" and "Prime Factors" on Sunday and discovered a blooper in"Emanations".
When they are inside the cave on that asteroid and Torres suddenly spots a dead body, you can clearly see the "dead body" moving its head slightly. Then Torres says: "It's a humanoid, it is dead".
Obviously not!
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You really really should. Pretty Pleeease? I love ENT and VOY and DS9 - the lovers-haters of those often seem to be aligned against TOS & TNG lovers oddly enough. There is room in my heart for them all but ENT VOY and DS9 are at the top of my list although not necc in that order and it does change up depending on my mood, the day, the weather, the alignment of the stars . . .
TOS is not at the absolute bottom of the heap because it brought me the SPOCK whom I've grokked all these many many long years. THE original 'ship in my 10 year old heart!!!!
You really really should. Pretty Pleeease? I love ENT and VOY and DS9 - the lovers-haters of those often seem to be aligned against TOS & TNG lovers oddly enough. There is room in my heart for them all but ENT VOY and DS9 are at the top of my list although not necc in that order and it does change up depending on my mood, the day, the weather, the alignment of the stars . . .
TOS is not at the absolute bottom of the heap because it brought me the SPOCK whom I've grokked all these many many long years. THE original 'ship in my 10 year old heart!!!!
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I can't understand how anyone could hate an entire Star Trek series if they like at least one or more of the other ones. What makes sense to me is having a favorite and then least favorites. Every single Star Trek series had more than a few episodes that were great--interesting story line, believable acting, and excellent production values. It's just that some of the series didn't have enough of them.
I can't understand how anyone could hate an entire Star Trek series if they like at least one or more of the other ones. What makes sense to me is having a favorite and then least favorites. Every single Star Trek series had more than a few episodes that were great--interesting story line, believable acting, and excellent production values. It's just that some of the series didn't have enough of them.
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Besides, at this rate it will take me over a year to get around to it.
I label myself as a Star Trek fan, and to the rest of the world I am a Trekkie. But when it comes down to it the only two series I am willing to buy on DVD are DS9 and TNG, and I only bought TNG because I managed to buy them at 1/3 of their normal price. I've watched all the other series and have enjoyed parts of them, but the true measure of fandom is if you are willing to shell out the money for the overpriced DVDs and I am not.
But when the world labels me as a Trekkie they don't make the distinction between the various shows; if I tell someone I'm a Trekkie then they will be under the mistaken assumption that I am a fan of Voyager. I don't like having to constantly justify my Trek fandom by explaining that I'm really only a fan of two of the series.
So while I don't hate Voyager as a TV series, I hate the way the world perceives me because of the existence of Voyager. If I had a button which could remove Voyager from the Trek canon then I would press it.
That's why I qualify as a hater and I don't need to rename the thread.
But I thought that Enterprise was okay. It had an average first season, a poor second season, a pretty good third season and and average fourth season. I can't make a thread titled "An Okayer revisits Enterprise", okayer isn't even a word.
Besides, at this rate it will take me over a year to get around to it.
Ah, I've put some thought into this very point in the past and came to this conclusion:
I label myself as a Star Trek fan, and to the rest of the world I am a Trekkie. But when it comes down to it the only two series I am willing to buy on DVD are DS9 and TNG, and I only bought TNG because I managed to buy them at 1/3 of their normal price. I've watched all the other series and have enjoyed parts of them, but the true measure of fandom is if you are willing to shell out the money for the overpriced DVDs and I am not.
But when the world labels me as a Trekkie they don't make the distinction between the various shows; if I tell someone I'm a Trekkie then they will be under the mistaken assumption that I am a fan of Voyager. I don't like having to constantly justify my Trek fandom by explaining that I'm really only a fan of two of the series.
So while I don't hate Voyager as a TV series, I hate the way the world perceives me because of the existence of Voyager. If I had a button which could remove Voyager from the Trek canon then I would press it.
That's why I qualify as a hater and I don't need to rename the thread.
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And why is it traumatizing that people outside of fandom remember Voyager?
And why should you justify your fandom to anyone? It makes no sense to me. If people like and/or remember Voyager, it should not diminish TNG or DS9 in anyway.
And why is it traumatizing that people outside of fandom remember Voyager?
And why should you justify your fandom to anyone? It makes no sense to me. If people like and/or remember Voyager, it should not diminish TNG or DS9 in anyway.
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The outside world considers me a Trekkie also and I don't own a single DVD, nor do I intend to every buy one. I think there are different levels of fandom. I've never seen DS9 or Enterprise either. I tried to watch them a few times, but couldn't get into them. I would like to get into DS9, but I'm going to wait for a cable chanel to show it and I'll DVR it.But I thought that Enterprise was okay. It had an average first season, a poor second season, a pretty good third season and and average fourth season. I can't make a thread titled "An Okayer revisits Enterprise", okayer isn't even a word.
Besides, at this rate it will take me over a year to get around to it.
Ah, I've put some thought into this very point in the past and came to this conclusion:
I label myself as a Star Trek fan, and to the rest of the world I am a Trekkie. But when it comes down to it the only two series I am willing to buy on DVD are DS9 and TNG, and I only bought TNG because I managed to buy them at 1/3 of their normal price. I've watched all the other series and have enjoyed parts of them, but the true measure of fandom is if you are willing to shell out the money for the overpriced DVDs and I am not.
But when the world labels me as a Trekkie they don't make the distinction between the various shows; if I tell someone I'm a Trekkie then they will be under the mistaken assumption that I am a fan of Voyager. I don't like having to constantly justify my Trek fandom by explaining that I'm really only a fan of two of the series.
So while I don't hate Voyager as a TV series, I hate the way the world perceives me because of the existence of Voyager. If I had a button which could remove Voyager from the Trek canon then I would press it.
That's why I qualify as a hater and I don't need to rename the thread.
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Because I'm shallow and I want to be popular.And why is it traumatizing that people outside of fandom remember Voyager?
And why should you justify your fandom to anyone? It makes no sense to me. If people like and/or remember Voyager, it should not diminish TNG or DS9 in anyway.
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I think 'The Gift' is a fantastic outing for Voyager. Fairly good exit for one character and a nice intro to another. It had a nice symmetry to it that I didn't expect. It's remembered fondly. Though the ending, concerning Seven in her catsuit and childhood memories...and hair, seemed a bit rushed.
I watched "The Gift" the other day...not an episode I ever thought of much. I was really impressed, it was a tight script, with good development for 2 characters. Not bad this Voyager..
RAMA
I think 'The Gift' is a fantastic outing for Voyager. Fairly good exit for one character and a nice intro to another. It had a nice symmetry to it that I didn't expect. It's remembered fondly. Though the ending, concerning Seven in her catsuit and childhood memories...and hair, seemed a bit rushed.
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I agree. The Gift was a fairly good exit for Kes and good introduction to Seven. Seven should have remained more Borgish for few more episodes, but overall The Gift was one of the highlights of Season 4. The writing was to the point, especially when it came to the debate of humanity and free will. Seven was like a recovering addict, who insisted having her right to choose now that her individual mind had been "activated" because of the separation from the collective.
And it is a tear-jerker episode, too. I like it. If Kes really had to go, I'm glad she got a decent episode to do so.
I agree. The Gift was a fairly good exit for Kes and good introduction to Seven. Seven should have remained more Borgish for few more episodes, but overall The Gift was one of the highlights of Season 4. The writing was to the point, especially when it came to the debate of humanity and free will. Seven was like a recovering addict, who insisted having her right to choose now that her individual mind had been "activated" because of the separation from the collective.
And it is a tear-jerker episode, too. I like it. If Kes really had to go, I'm glad she got a decent episode to do so.
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*drum roll*
Season 2
The 37's (*½)
Now here is an episode which makes no sense. In 1937 some aliens came to Earth, abducted hundreds of humans from the four corners of the world, brought them to the other side of the galaxy to use as slaves, and somehow the humans managed to overthrow them, destroy their ship and build their own civilisation.
Say what?
That doesn't make any sense from either a logical or logistical viewpoint.
There is little plot cohesion. First they find a truck in space (no explanation given), then they find the planet, then they land on the planet, then they find the 37s, then they unfreeze them, then there's a boring hostage situation, then there's a lot of stuff about Amelia Earhart, then there's a shoot-out, then there's some talking, then there's a whole load of stuff about who is going to stay on the ship, then the show ends. There is at least three different stories in this episode and it only needed one. To make things worse, Voyager lands on the planet even though it doesn't add anything to the episode other than screen-time. It looks nifty and all, but in an episode which already suffers from making little sense they could have used that five minutes to help sort out the story threads.
This is a golden opportunity for Voyager to pick up some new crew members from the human population on the planet, but the episode doesn't even investigate this possibility. Instead it decides to explore who will stay on the ship and who will stay on the planet, which is not all that interesting because we know that all the cast is going to stay. If I was offered the chance to go into space on a ship as advanced as Voyager then I would say goodbye to my family and take the leap, so why does nobody on this planet decide to tag along and maybe see the mythical homeworld of their people? We could have had some new recurring cast members and maybe a few stories about integrating them into the crew, but instead we have a nice shot of Voyager flying off into the sunset.
Which makes no sense because Voyager had to land on the planet because of some mumbo-jumbo in the atmosphere which looked like really thick clouds, so why is everything sunny on the surface?
Season 2, you will have to try harder than this.
*drum roll*
Season 2
The 37's (*½)
Now here is an episode which makes no sense. In 1937 some aliens came to Earth, abducted hundreds of humans from the four corners of the world, brought them to the other side of the galaxy to use as slaves, and somehow the humans managed to overthrow them, destroy their ship and build their own civilisation.
Say what?
That doesn't make any sense from either a logical or logistical viewpoint.There is little plot cohesion. First they find a truck in space (no explanation given), then they find the planet, then they land on the planet, then they find the 37s, then they unfreeze them, then there's a boring hostage situation, then there's a lot of stuff about Amelia Earhart, then there's a shoot-out, then there's some talking, then there's a whole load of stuff about who is going to stay on the ship, then the show ends. There is at least three different stories in this episode and it only needed one. To make things worse, Voyager lands on the planet even though it doesn't add anything to the episode other than screen-time. It looks nifty and all, but in an episode which already suffers from making little sense they could have used that five minutes to help sort out the story threads.
This is a golden opportunity for Voyager to pick up some new crew members from the human population on the planet, but the episode doesn't even investigate this possibility. Instead it decides to explore who will stay on the ship and who will stay on the planet, which is not all that interesting because we know that all the cast is going to stay. If I was offered the chance to go into space on a ship as advanced as Voyager then I would say goodbye to my family and take the leap, so why does nobody on this planet decide to tag along and maybe see the mythical homeworld of their people? We could have had some new recurring cast members and maybe a few stories about integrating them into the crew, but instead we have a nice shot of Voyager flying off into the sunset.
Which makes no sense because Voyager had to land on the planet because of some mumbo-jumbo in the atmosphere which looked like really thick clouds, so why is everything sunny on the surface?
Season 2, you will have to try harder than this.
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^well, i don't know if this will help in your review, but this episode was filmed as part of the first season's episodes. in fact, 4 of the first 6 episodes of season 2 are actually season 1 episodes. UPN cut VOY's season short for some reason. IMO, i think the 37's should've been the first season finale b/c of the final scene in the cargo bay.
otherwise, interesting take even though i don't necessarily agree with all points, but i doubt us debating this would change your mind.
^well, i don't know if this will help in your review, but this episode was filmed as part of the first season's episodes. in fact, 4 of the first 6 episodes of season 2 are actually season 1 episodes. UPN cut VOY's season short for some reason. IMO, i think the 37's should've been the first season finale b/c of the final scene in the cargo bay.
otherwise, interesting take even though i don't necessarily agree with all points, but i doubt us debating this would change your mind.
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