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We know Kirk takes the Kobayashi Maru test, so he is at least a Lt. Also, he is wearing an officer's undershirt, not a cadet uniform.
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We know Kirk takes the Kobayashi Maru test, so he is at least a Lt. Also, he is wearing an officer's undershirt, not a cadet uniform.
I see, but in what article are they saying that? The latest one with the link to the new trailer or what?
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Trying to apply timeline one canon onto timeline two is useless imo. They are two separate reality's in which one has no bearing on the other.
That's a cadet test, isn't it?
As somebody who has been less than impressed with the fist couple of trailers I've got to say... wow.
I wasn't expecting much for this movie at first, but this trailer has impressed me. I don't know if the music in the trailer is like the music in the movie, but that is what partially did it for me. Just great all around from the effects shown, music played, action, acting, just great. Of course the movie could still be utter crap, but I'm thinking not. I'm thinking it's going to be pretty special.
I wasn't expecting much for this movie at first, but this trailer has impressed me. I don't know if the music in the trailer is like the music in the movie, but that is what partially did it for me. Just great all around from the effects shown, music played, action, acting, just great. Of course the movie could still be utter crap, but I'm thinking not. I'm thinking it's going to be pretty special.
Based on what? There's no reason to assume he can't be a Lt. at this point. From TWOK, it's possible that only people who have achieved at least that rank are even allowed to take the test. Even high ranking officers have to go to school again in order to get promotions. My guess is that he's a mid-level officer on some sort of probation. I'm pretty sure the KOM test is a pretty advanced command test, not the sort of thing they let ensigns or raw cadets with no field experience take.
I assume the writers of this movie are at least half as smart as me
, so if I can come up with several scenarios that make it work ok, they can too. We won't be disappointed, I think.I don't see any Lt. Commanders or higher on the bridge. It's entirely possible that there aren't any fit for duty who also have the proper training. I'm sure if there is a Lt. Commander down in a biology lab somewhere, they would never let him near the bridge before a Lt. with advanced command training.
That happens at the end, post NEM of timeline one. The events in timeline two are going to be completely different from what we think happened in timeline one pre-TOS.
After this movie, we will [presumably] still have no greater understanding of TL-1 pre-TOS events than we now have.
Yeah... I said that.
Except that he receives a field commission from Pike when he's promoted to XO after the first battle with the Narada. Pike likes him and respects his ability. Kirk has the same training as all the others, he just lacks the rubber stamp of a full commission. Pike gives him that based on merit and lack of other options. After that he's an officer, second in command after Spock, and has every right to take command.
Be that as it may, let's review:
1) Your only substantive objection to this scene is that "Kirk is a cadet."
2) You are right to suggest that Kirk's rank in this scene is speculative - there is no information and in fact no evidence to support the claim that "Kirk is a cadet" or a lieutenant or admiral or whatever.
Therefore, you are trying to sustain an objection to the events portrayed based upon a complete absence of information supporting your premise.
Therefore, you have no substantive objection.
Next.
Where do we learn about the field commission? I keep seeing people say it, but haven't seen it myself. Though I've just now started going in depth with the new movie.
From the description of the 25 minutes of footage that was screened for VIPs a couple months ago. Sometime during the attack on Vulcan Pike goes over to Nero's ship to negotiate. He gives Spock command of the Enterprise, and makes Kirk acting XO and sends him on a mission to disable the drilling rig.
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That's a test given to cadets at the academy.
Based on the statements given in interviews about the movie that Kirk was a cadet and in trouble at the academy, which is why McCoy had to help him out to get him on the ship.
Based on what?
Saavik was wearing cadet red and whenever the ship and its mission were mentioned, it was referred to as a ship full of cadets and trainees on a training mission. And since in this is a new universe, we can't really know for sure at the moment, can we? Especially since there are no references to Kirk being an officer that I'm aware of at least.
That'd be exactly the kind of test to give cadets just about ready to make the transition from cadet to officer.
Again, and explanation they think up at this point would be contrived because of how they've set things up.I assume the writers of this movie are at least half as smart as me
All officers have at least some command experience. But that isn't the point, the point is that there should already be an established chain of command and that Kirk is not qualified to be in it.
Except Kirk isn't qualified for that position.
And knew his father and probably knew him growing up, but none of those are legitimate reasons to give a cadet a field promotion to XO of the ship.
We don't know that, but either way that would still make him the most junior officer on the ship because of a little thing called "time in service". If one ensign commissioned a month before another one, the former would outrank the latter. That's part of why having T'Pol act as the NX-01's XO didn't make any sense either.
I'm not really seeing that. There's a lack of information either way, but there are certain facts that are known, like a cadet not being qualified to command a ship and field commissions can't be handed out on a whim, not in a responsible uniformed service.
He's a cadet and not qualified to do anything more than lend a helping hand at a station on the bridge or another post elsewhere in the ship. He's a warm body, that's it.
Never watched TWOK?
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