Kirk is better then Picard

[Iamnotspock]

I love both series, but after watching season one again I've been noticing that Kirk is the better Captain.

Why?

1) He makes decisions on his own (does not need a counselor, or second opinion)

2) He fights the bad guys instead of just placing them in a holding cell

3) He gets the women

4) He doesn't have to help an android become human

5) He does not need a number one. (Although Spock sometimes could be considered his number one)

Those are my reasons so far. I'm sure there are more reasons

1) He needs Spock and McCoy. He often takes logic from Spock and passion from Bones and reconciles the two in order to come to a decision.

2) Picard may not fight as often as Kirk - he thinks his way out of tight spots - but when he does he tends to come off better by not ending up bleeding and with his shirt ripped in the most unlikely places. A terrorist beams onto his bridge and he belts him, not to mention "you may test that assumption at your convenience".

3) He doesn't need to chase women in the first place.

4) Picard doesn't have to either. He chooses to.

5) Picard can hold it pretty well too - he's a big boy.

Add 6) Picard is man enough to admit to being bald. Not that I care, like them both.

 

[Alrik]

I do believe that less crew members dies under Picard's command... shows who the better leader was.

Uhhh ... STARGAZER, anyone? Kah-blooey!

Also, leaving a fairly intact starship around for anyone to pick up and reverse engineer sounds like about as wrongheaded a call as any captain ever made (I know you can chalk it up to bad early TNG writing, but even so!)

*cough*Pegasus*cough

 

[RAMA]

I love both series, but after watching season one again I've been noticing that Kirk is the better Captain.

Why?

1) He makes decisions on his own (does not need a counselor, or second opinion)

2) He fights the bad guys instead of just placing them in a holding cell

3) He gets the women

4) He doesn't have to help an android become human

5) He does not need a number one. (Although Spock sometimes could be considered his number one)

Those are my reasons so far. I'm sure there are more reasons

Pretty simplistic, they are actually cut from the same cloth...only Picard is a more sedate. Kirk talked to plenty of alien species instead of fighting them, he consulted his officers often enough, and Kirk really would have been dead without Spock on numerous occasions. Stewart was a much better actor than Shatner however, so that really makes the difference.

RAMA

 

[EmperorTiberius]

I do believe that less crew members dies under Picard's command... shows who the better leader was.

Uhhh ... STARGAZER, anyone? Kah-blooey!

Also, leaving a fairly intact starship around for anyone to pick up and reverse engineer sounds like about as wrongheaded a call as any captain ever made (I know you can chalk it up to bad early TNG writing, but even so!)

Why would he blow her up if he destroyed the enemy and thought Starfleet would pick her up. I really doubt it is a standard practice to destroy old ships unnecessarily.

 

[trevanian]

I do believe that less crew members dies under Picard's command... shows who the better leader was.

Uhhh ... STARGAZER, anyone? Kah-blooey!

Also, leaving a fairly intact starship around for anyone to pick up and reverse engineer sounds like about as wrongheaded a call as any captain ever made (I know you can chalk it up to bad early TNG writing, but even so!)

*cough*Pegasus*cough

yeah, and that doesn't even have the excuse of being early TNG when the show was being line-trimmed by an attorney.

 

[darkshadow0001]

But my thing with Kirk is his main concern is the crew of his ship, and while true, he does not always consult them before making decisions, but from what I've seen thus far is he makes decisions based on what he thinks is best for his ship and crew. I don't think I recall Picard making many of these kinds of choices, maybe in a few circumstances. I think the problem with TNG was they tried to be "too" Utopian, which is a nice concept, but it's probably going to be highly unlikely that something like that will occur. Besides Kirk & crew were out in space even before real-life humans were... who can top that

Unlikely what would occur? That a captain would ask his officers for their opinion?

No. That we would live in a utopian society like 24th Century Trek is supposed to be. For some reason I don't believe that would happen in real life. It would be nice, but I don't think it'll happen.

 

[trevanian]

I do believe that less crew members dies under Picard's command... shows who the better leader was.

Uhhh ... STARGAZER, anyone? Kah-blooey!

Also, leaving a fairly intact starship around for anyone to pick up and reverse engineer sounds like about as wrongheaded a call as any captain ever made (I know you can chalk it up to bad early TNG writing, but even so!)

Why would he blow her up if he destroyed the enemy and thought Starfleet would pick her up. I really doubt it is a standard practice to destroy old ships unnecessarily.

She wasn't all that 'old' at the time if she was still staffed and operational and warp-capable, and you've still got a wealth of stuff that can be accessed by potentially unfriendly parties.

Not only that, you've got a ship that could drift into an undeveloped system and inadvertently let them know that ETs are real, so letting the ship go its own way should have been processed as a potential PD violation as well as a total security fuckup.

All you'd need is for somebody to make a bomb out of the warpstuff in the ship and set it off someplace, knowing that with future forensics, they could probably trace it back to being Starfleet or Fed issue materials, and you can frame the 'good guys' for whatever terrorist attack you want. Leaving a starship -- even an awkward looking science ship -- just floating around is about as irresponsible as you can get.

 

[Gary7]

"Better"?

They're both very different men, tackling the problems of command successfully in their own way. I wouldn't say one is better than the other.

Now, you may LIKE one over the other, because of how you relate to them. But "better" is just way too context dependent.

 

[trevanian]

"Better"?

They're both very different men, tackling the problems of command successfully in their own way. I wouldn't say one is better than the other.

Now, you may LIKE one over the other, because of how you relate to them. But "better" is just way too context dependent.

That's far too wise a tact to take here on the net.

 

[Kirk here]

Also remember, Kirk never carried anyone's luggage.

 

[trevanian]

Also remember, Kirk never carried anyone's luggage.

He carried his own luggage (you don't remember the suitcase from THIS SIDE OF PARADISE?)

 

[Green Shirt]

Why is it so difficult to use the word "than"?

I dunno, their seams to be a problem.

 

[Nardpuncher]

Why is it so difficult to use the word "than"?

I dunno, their seams to be a problem.

Your right! People definately have to many problems with basic english.

The one thing we probably have to agree is that there's no chance now of Picard ever catching up to Kirk in terms of being a huge icon.

 

[JustKate]

^ True. He is iconic in both good ways and bad ways!

"Definately" - brrrrrrrrrrrr!

 

[Nardpuncher]

^ True. He is iconic in both good ways and bad ways!

"Definately" - brrrrrrrrrrrr!

Someone once wrote in on of the forums here " I defiantly want to see that movie!"...I though wow...they misspelled it so badly it turned into a real word. Or maybe I'm wrong and their parents didn't want them to see that movie, but they were going to go see it anyway.

 

[JustKate]

^ There are plain typos and then there are funny typos, and you know what category that one falls into. He's going to boldy go to see the movie!

I write a lot of things that use the word public in them (I write a fair number of news releases and the like), and I know - I just know - that one day, I'm going to leave off that "l." It will happen; it's just a matter of time. My only consolation once it does happen will be that at least it will almost certainly be a funny error.

 

[Pinkle]

I like them both but Kirk is better coz he's much sexier.

Although Picard does have some nice legs :V

 

[Too Much Fun]

We are the knights who say Nih! Nih! Nih! Nih!

 

[Vance]

I love both series, but after watching season one again I've been noticing that Kirk is the better Captain.

Picard is a bureaucrat, he's the kind of captain the United Nations would send into a crisis ,when they want someone to talk, but definately not to act. He's a quintessential 1990s politically correct 'leader'. The guy who never leads and maintains the status quo, cares more about polls (his 'command crew', in this case) than the results of his actions (or, more commonly, in-actions).

Hell, Janeway, for her part, even overtly recognizes that fact when she says that Kirk, Sulu, et al, would be kicked out of Star Fleet because of their 'take charge' attitudes.

Yet, Kirk's 'take charge' attitude is exactly why he was not only a great and legendary captain within the series context, but also a role-model for many young boys in real life. No little kid wants to grow up to be Jean Luc Picard.

 

[darkshadow0001]

Why is it so difficult to use the word "than"?

It was a typo.