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Alien, how big is the probability of...

So, the bipedal with two handed alien is the most logic for them to build a civilization. Then we can assume that the most capable creatures that can evolve and advance to Space faring civilization are Primate. Is it true?


Not necessarily. Bears are not primates. It's not inconceivable a bear-like creature could adapt to a permanent bipedal stance and maybe develop an opposable thumb. For that matter, while any technologically based society would have to have means of manipulation and fine-detailed work, they might not even HAVE fingers as we do. Elephants can to pretty accurate detail work with their trunks. Some variation on that might be a possibility.
 
I agree with Zachary Smith, the most practical form that we know of is the humanoid.
If a planet has a size similar to Earth (that or everything is scaled up/down appropriately) and exists in a star system similar to our own (not to big/small or hot/cool star, a large gas giant to act as a debris filter, and that the planet has a large satellite to stabilize the orbit as well as great tidal forces to keep a magnetic field up) then if water was brought to the planet by comets, asteroids, etc etc. The planet may develop in a similar fashion to Earth.
As a result of this similar development then similar life may also develop.

However until we have another life-filled planet to study we can not be sure of the probability of humanoid life developing elsewhere.

I just hope that if the humanoid form proves to be common they name the theory/law after A.E. Hodgkin. :D
 
Not only will aliens all be bipedal, since that is clearly the best, most well adapted form in the universe, but they will be white, Christian and American.
 
Not only will aliens all be bipedal, since that is clearly the best, most well adapted form in the universe, but they will be white, Christian and American.

I've noticed how all those non-white, non-Christians have extra arms and legs.
 
...Biped works. But so might many other solutions. And nature always settles for the barely adequate, and doesn't plan ahead...

Timo Saloniemi

Nature seems to settle for what ever mutation can survive. Did a spider really need eight legs when so many six leg critters do so well? Probably not, but the spider happened to come about and was not disadvantaged by its eight legs to the point that it died off.

Also imagine a highly intelligent creature with say four arms instead of two. Their brain would have developed around this difference and their ability to multi-task would be impressive. No planning in advance would be necessary.
 
...Biped works. But so might many other solutions. And nature always settles for the barely adequate, and doesn't plan ahead...

Timo Saloniemi

Nature seems to settle for what ever mutation can survive. Did a spider really need eight legs when so many six leg critters do so well? Probably not, but the spider happened to come about and was not disadvantaged by its eight legs to the point that it died off.

Nature selects for mutations that increase reproductive success. This can one that increases survival probability, but more often means one that increases the probability of getting laid. The spider's extra legs are a useful mutation that increase it's probability for survival, mostly due to it's size. They'd be totally useless if it were as large as a dog. Very small creatures benefit from extra legs. Larger ones don't.
Those mutations which don't provide any reproductive advantage will eventually be bred out, simply because the specimens without the mutation greatly outnumber the one with it. They certainly won't lead to specialization, not without the long-term isolation of a small population that has the muration


There are three requirements for any technological civilization. 1) Tool Use 2) Tool Crafting 3) complex socialization.

Tool use implies grasping hands of some sort. Tool Crafting implies both hands and a certain amount of intelligence. Complex socialization implies the ability to form strong emotional attachments to others, an intrinsic emotional need for social contact, and an intrinsic aversion to killing their own kind.

Such creatures will most likely be bipedal or semi-bipedal, because it is easiest for hands to adapt from forelimbs. This also means that they will most likely not be aquatic, though they might be amphibious. They probably won't be giants, nor will they be very small. They will probably breath oxygen and they will probably have lungs, simply because other methods of oxygen extraction from air don't work well at a reasonable size. They'll have some sort of circulatory system, though possibly not like ours. They will either use iron or copper as an oxygen carrier in their blood, with iron being far more likely because it is more efficient.

Their skin pigmentation will probably depend on the amount of UV light they are exposed to. They may or may not have fur or scales, or armor, but will not have any on their palms or fingers due to the need for precise tactile sensation. If they live in cold climates, they may be very fat, with thick insulating layers just under their skin.
They will probably have an endoskeleton of some sort, probably made from calcium but not necessilarilry.

They'll probably be omnivorous with predatory tendencies, simply because hunter-gatherers are most likely to develop grasping hands and tool use in the first place.They will have some form of complex communication, with spoken language being the most probable due to not needing line of sight, but with a visual language also being possible. If they have spoken language then they will have mouths and vocal cords adapted for speaking, which means that they won't have muzzles or beaks and are likely to have lips like ours. They will have a written language, simply because this is necessary to transfer and preserve knowledge within a large complex civilization. They will live and work in groups of some size. They'll be curious. They'll have weapons. They may or may not engage in warfare, though this is more likely than not.

They will not be able to eat our food, nor we theirs, with any degree of safety. Protien incompatability is highly probable. The most likely result of eating anying from an alien ecosystem is death, possibly a horrific one. Our bodies wouldn't be able to use their protiens and they wouldn't be able to use ours. The best case scenario is simply not getting any calories from the food, the most likely is a chemical chain reaction that causes severe damage on a celular level.

They probably won't fly.
 
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...Biped works. But so might many other solutions. And nature always settles for the barely adequate, and doesn't plan ahead...

Timo Saloniemi

Nature seems to settle for what ever mutation can survive. Did a spider really need eight legs when so many six leg critters do so well? Probably not, but the spider happened to come about and was not disadvantaged by its eight legs to the point that it died off.

Nature selects for mutations that increase reproductive success. This can one that increases survival probability, but more often means one that increases the probability of getting laid. The spider's extra legs are a useful mutation that increase it's probability for survival, mostly due to it's size. They'd be totally useless if it were as large as a dog. Very small creatures benefit from extra legs. Larger ones don't.
Those mutations which don't provide any reproductive advantage will eventually be bred out, simply because the specimens without the mutation greatly outnumber the one with it. They certainly won't lead to specialization, not without the long-term isolation of a small population that has the muration


There are three requirements for any technological civilization. 1) Tool Use 2) Tool Crafting 3) complex socialization.

Tool use implies grasping hands of some sort. Tool Crafting implies both hands and a certain amount of intelligence. Complex socialization implies the ability to form strong emotional attachments to others, an intrinsic emotional need for social contact, and an intrinsic aversion to killing their own kind.

Such creatures will most likely be bipedal or semi-bipedal, because it is easiest for hands to adapt from forelimbs. This also means that they will most likely not be aquatic, though they might be amphibious. They probably won't be giants, nor will they be very small. They will probably breath oxygen and they will probably have lungs, simply because other methods of oxygen extraction from air don't work well at a reasonable size. They'll have some sort of circulatory system, though possibly not like ours. They will either use iron or copper as an oxygen carrier in their blood, with iron being far more likely because it is more efficient.

Their skin pigmentation will probably depend on the amount of UV light they are exposed to. They may or may not have fur or scales, or armor, but will not have any on their palms or fingers due to the need for precise tactile sensation. If they live in cold climates, they may be very fat, with thick insulating layers just under their skin.
They will probably have an endoskeleton of some sort, probably made from calcium but not necessilarilry.

They'll probably be omnivorous with predatory tendencies, simply because hunter-gatherers are most likely to develop grasping hands and tool use in the first place.They will have some form of complex communication, with spoken language being the most probable due to not needing line of sight, but with a visual language also being possible. If they have spoken language then they will have mouths and vocal cords adapted for speaking, which means that they won't have muzzles or beaks and are likely to have lips like ours. They will have a written language, simply because this is necessary to transfer and preserve knowledge within a large complex civilization. They will live and work in groups of some size. They'll be curious. They'll have weapons. They may or may not engage in warfare, though this is more likely than not.

They will not be able to eat our food, nor we theirs, with any degree of safety. Protien incompatability is highly probable. The most likely result of eating anying from an alien ecosystem is death, possibly a horrific one. Our bodies wouldn't be able to use their protiens and they wouldn't be able to use ours. The best case scenario is simply not getting any calories from the food, the most likely is a chemical chain reaction that causes severe damage on a celular level.

They probably won't fly.


Birds have beaks and many are able to vocalize the sounds of language just fine. In fact many are vastly superior at imitating sounds than humans. Cetaceans use their blowholes to vocalize. Thus I disagree with your points that regarding mouths and lips similar to our own being necessary for language. We have examples here on Earth that discredit that. Otherwise, I tend to agree with you.

I think it also possible that, rather than being toxic to our systems, alien proteins, likely being of similar chemical constituents to our own, would have some nourishing aspects or would simply pass through our systems, our digestive tracts being unable to utilize them and simply excreting them as waste.
 
Birds have beaks and many are able to vocalize the sounds of language just fine. In fact many are vastly superior at imitating sounds than humans. Cetaceans use their blowholes to vocalize. Thus I disagree with your points that regarding mouths and lips similar to our own being necessary for language. We have examples here on Earth that discredit that. Otherwise, I tend to agree with you.

I think it also possible that, rather than being toxic to our systems, alien proteins, likely being of similar chemical constituents to our own, would have some nourishing aspects or would simply pass through our systems, our digestive tracts being unable to utilize them and simply excreting them as waste.

Good point about the birds and the blowholes.

But, I do think that alien proteins would be dangerous.

Proteins can totally mess you up. Prions are the technical name for infectious mis-folded proteins. They're just proteins, but they're unstoppable. All prion diseases result in death. There is no cure or treatment for any. Once a prion enters your body, it reproduces by interacting with normal proteins, transforming them into prions. It's a slow process that destroys your brain, your memory, and your sanity.

Other forms of protein incompatibility result in deaths, as well. For example, Immunoglobulin A is an important product of the human immune system. But, if a person with Immunogloublin A deficiency is given a transfusion of plasma that contains Immunoglobulin A, then his body will attack it.

Of course, protein allergies are not uncommon, and these can be deadly, as well.

Because we don't know how alien proteins will interact with the human body, and vice versa, we have to assume the worst.

Such creatures will most likely be... semi-bipedal
Kind of like a snail?

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I was thinking more like a gorilla, able to walk on two legs but uses all four for fast locomotion, though that is less likely if we assume a hunter-gatherer stage where they'll be running around with spears in hand.
 
You forget about the gravitation. What if the another planet has different gravity? Say just 0.8 G or even more than 1 G?
 
Nature seems to settle for what ever mutation can survive. Did a spider really need eight legs when so many six leg critters do so well?

To answer that, you need to ask why did crabs evolve to have 8 legs? Spiders just didn't get rid of any when they crawled out on to dry land.
 
Problem is, Gorillas aren't suited for moving around bipedally and don't do it well, nor can they sustain it for long periods.
 
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But if humanoid aliens do exist that are vaguely like humans, I believe that it will cause a religious revival on Earth like we've never seen before.

Because by then, many will understand that only an act of God could cause such a thing.

Yes, because the first thing that morons so when they don't understand something is ascribe it to an act of God instead of trying to understand the science.

Thank you for fulfilling the stereotype, Moron. :rolleyes:
 
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But if humanoid aliens do exist that are vaguely like humans, I believe that it will cause a religious revival on Earth like we've never seen before.

Because by then, many will understand that only an act of God could cause such a thing.

Yes, because the first thing that morons so when they don't understand something is ascribe it to an act of God instead of trying to understand the science.

Thank you for fulfilling the stereotype, Moron. :rolleyes:


Bu--Bu- BUT Look at the way ROUND things ROLL! Do you think that could happen by ACCIDENT? Clearly, there was intention and intelligence at work in the design!
 
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But if humanoid aliens do exist that are vaguely like humans, I believe that it will cause a religious revival on Earth like we've never seen before.

Because by then, many will understand that only an act of God could cause such a thing.

Yes, because the first thing that morons so when they don't understand something is ascribe it to an act of God instead of trying to understand the science.

Thank you for fulfilling the stereotype, Moron. :rolleyes:


Bu--Bu- BUT Look at the way ROUND things ROLL! Do you think that could happen by ACCIDENT? Clearly, there was intention and intelligence at work in the design!

INDEED! And look at that puddle! LOOK AT IT! See how perfectly the water conforms to the pothole it fills! Clearly the pothole was MADE for the water that fills it!

How basic logic escapes some people truly astounds me.
 
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