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Alien, how big is the probability of...

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Just a question after watching Star Trek DS9 and Enterprise.

How big is the probability of humanoid Alien that has two arms, one head, pink skin, and consider "the kiss mouth to mouth" as their romantic act? (sorry of my bad English)

Because even Human doesn't always kiss openly like that! Some of them even consider "the kiss" in open area as Taboo.
 
Since we've never really been out of our own solar system or even met an alien yet, there is NO answer.

"Remote" is likely, but until we actually have some data....
 
To see extra-terrestrials appear humanoid and use such human-like customs in the same context as us in real life would be mere coincidence. Or fate....
 
The question of the custom of kissing aside, I actually wouldn't be that surprised if the basic humanoid form wasn't fairly common elsewhere in the universe. After all, form follows function and function is limited by form. Dolphins, for example, could be 1000 X's more intelligent than humans but would never have a technologically based society because their form doesn't allow easy manipulation of their environment. They will never be space-travelers without the help of someone or something with arms and legs and fingers.

Too many appendages becomes redundant, too few and the ability to function is limited. The octopus is a very intelligent creature and can, better than a lot of creatures, manipulate it's environment well but it's ability to manipulate with precision is limited and they can't survive long outside of the water though. We have no examples of tentacled land-creatures so it's hard to guess how well such a species might do, even if intelligent.

Without the appendages for fine, detailed precision work, you'd have no industrial or technologically based societies. Without limbs for movement in an open (ie non water) environment, the creatures can't get around. Four limbs and bipedal seems a balanced yet minimalist approach to form. Any more limbs becomes redundant and any fewer, activity becomes limited.

I expect that many forms are possible for life, including some truely unexpected ones, even in intelligent creatures. But if we are ever to meet aliens who function as we do, with technology and societies and buildings of cities and space-travel, they're probably going to be more like us in basic form than they will be different.
 
I actually wouldn't be that surprised if the basic humanoid form wasn't fairly common elsewhere in the universe.
I also wouldn't be surprised to find the humanoid form to be uncommon. After all, there is no imperative that life be intelligent, or even multicellular. Even on Earth, the vast majority of animal species are not humanoid in form.

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I actually wouldn't be that surprised if the basic humanoid form wasn't fairly common elsewhere in the universe.
I also wouldn't be surprised to find the humanoid form to be uncommon. After all, there is no imperative that life be intelligent, or even multicellular. Even on Earth, the vast majority of animal species are not humanoid in form.

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And not ONE of them has an industrial or technologically based culture.

Please note what I said: If they live like us, interact with their environment like we do, build things and explore other places, it seems reasonable they would LOOK something like we do. At least in terms of basic structure.

The universe may be teeming with life in many unexpected and complex fornms, even intelligent life. BUT if they don't LOOK something like us, they are going to interact with their environments differently than we do and likely take another course of development entirely. As I said, dolphins could be 1000 Xs more intelligent than us but they will NEVER develope an industrial or technologically based society because their basic FORM prohibits it.
 
Then again, whenever a form comes up that at least stands a chance of performing task X, and faces no particularly stiff competition, it's likely to take over niche X and thereafter only do minor refinements on its form, rather than giant revamps like losing a pair of limbs or gaining one.

If a three-tentacled slithering species began manipulating its environs, odds are it wouldn't steer any closer to the biped humanoid form even when evolving to a master of technology. Two limbs isn't that much better than three to five. And biped motion, or ascension to culture through a phase of being the superior plains hunter, probably aren't necessary for our sort of existence.

Biped works. But so might many other solutions. And nature always settles for the barely adequate, and doesn't plan ahead...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Please note what I said: If they live like us, interact with their environment like we do, build things and explore other places, it seems reasonable they would LOOK something like we do. At least in terms of basic structure.
I understood all that. I just don't agree with your assumptions. If alien life does exist, it's probably vastly more likely to be simple rather than complex.

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Please note what I said: If they live like us, interact with their environment like we do, build things and explore other places, it seems reasonable they would LOOK something like we do. At least in terms of basic structure.
I understood all that. I just don't agree with your assumptions. If alien life does exist, it's probably vastly more likely to be simple rather than complex.

I'd agree the vast majority probably is simple, but after 2 million years of evolution we're here, so chances are somewere among the billions of stars, there's a handfull of species on par with us; in terms of complexed lifeforms.
 
Please note what I said: If they live like us, interact with their environment like we do, build things and explore other places, it seems reasonable they would LOOK something like we do. At least in terms of basic structure.
I understood all that. I just don't agree with your assumptions. If alien life does exist, it's probably vastly more likely to be simple rather than complex.

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Well, I'd agree that by far most life is going to be simple, probably on the order of algae or something. But if you're looking for intelligent, space-faring or civilization-building aliens, I think odds are decent that humanoid-types are going to appear elsewhere. Maybe more or less fingers and/or other minor structural differences but I'd be surprised if bipedal, four-limbed, one-headed species weren't fairly plentiful AMONG industrial/technology-based civilization builders. Doesn't mean there aren't deep-thinking clams on the floor of some alien ocean that would make Einstein seem like a simple child, but they are NOT going to build cities.
 
so chances are...
This assumes we know what the variables were. We really have not the slightest idea what the 'chances are'.

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Your statement is true.

Perhaps a better way to put it is that given the billions of stars and planets out there it seems plausible that there could be at least a handful of technologically advanced species out there.
 
The question of the custom of kissing aside, I actually wouldn't be that surprised if the basic humanoid form wasn't fairly common elsewhere in the universe.

I expect that many forms are possible for life, including some truely unexpected ones, even in intelligent creatures. But if we are ever to meet aliens who function as we do, with technology and societies and buildings of cities and space-travel, they're probably going to be more like us in basic form than they will be different.

You and John Campbell would have gotten along well.

And nature always settles for the barely adequate, and doesn't plan ahead...

Timo Saloniemi

Oh, well said!
 
The question of the custom of kissing aside, I actually wouldn't be that surprised if the basic humanoid form wasn't fairly common elsewhere in the universe.

I expect that many forms are possible for life, including some truely unexpected ones, even in intelligent creatures. But if we are ever to meet aliens who function as we do, with technology and societies and buildings of cities and space-travel, they're probably going to be more like us in basic form than they will be different.

You and John Campbell would have gotten along well.


I've long enjoyed his soups . . . .
 
The question of the custom of kissing aside, I actually wouldn't be that surprised if the basic humanoid form wasn't fairly common elsewhere in the universe.

I expect that many forms are possible for life, including some truely unexpected ones, even in intelligent creatures. But if we are ever to meet aliens who function as we do, with technology and societies and buildings of cities and space-travel, they're probably going to be more like us in basic form than they will be different.

You and John Campbell would have gotten along well.


I've long enjoyed his soups . . . .

Schmuck. :)
 
So, the bipedal with two handed alien is the most logic for them to build a civilization. Then we can assume that the most capable creatures that can evolve and advance to Space faring civilization are Primate. Is it true?
 
I think it's extremely unlikely kissing bipedal aliens exist. But. The universe has a tendency to repeat itself, so my only question is: why not?
 
0%.

But if humanoid aliens do exist that are vaguely like humans, I believe that it will cause a religious revival on Earth like we've never seen before.

Because by then, many will understand that only an act of God could cause such a thing.
 
0%.

But if humanoid aliens do exist that are vaguely like humans, I believe that it will cause a religious revival on Earth like we've never seen before.

Because by then, many will understand that only an act of God could cause such a thing.


Yeah, the same way that things that ROLL happen to be round. Only Someone "planning" that could make it happen.
 
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