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[number6]

Yeah, but he has hard evidence to support his opinion: lens flares, reflections in a glass window, a fast-paced cut trailer, a set-design he doesn't like...

This movie could very well suck and then these things would only be part of it's problem.
But to state this movie will suck just because of these things, without having seen the actual directorial approach and the actors' performence is... yeah, what?... Stupid? Dishonest?

Both.. I am sure a condescending lecture about filming techniques is sure to follow. After all, none of us have any practical idea of how any of this this is done, except for 16mm guy and the shareholder.

To the rest of us it's all *Hollywood Magic* and fairy dust.
Never forget that!

16mm guy - I like that

trevanian, as a reporter and fan-filmer, is a bit like a eunuch; he knows how a major motion picture is made.

He knows how a major motion picture is made the way some "fans" know how to produce Star Trek. I think it's presumptuous to assume that because someone is trying something different than what had come before is somehow doing it the "wrong" way.

 

[ST-One]

Both.. I am sure a condescending lecture about filming techniques is sure to follow. After all, none of us have any practical idea of how any of this this is done, except for 16mm guy and the shareholder.

To the rest of us it's all *Hollywood Magic* and fairy dust.
Never forget that!

16mm guy - I like that

trevanian, as a reporter and fan-filmer, is a bit like a eunuch; he knows how a major motion picture is made.

He knows how a major motion picture is made the way some "fans" know how to produce Star Trek. I think it's presumptuous to assume that because someone is trying something different than what had come before is somehow doing it the "wrong" way.

Exactly.

 

[QuasarVM]

If your big screen TV at home had a picture quality like that viewscreeen (in that shot of Nero) would you rant and rave over how cool it looks?

I dunno - can we apply the same pointless rationalization that's always offered for why the TOS communicators aren't oversized and outdated - because they're doing so much more than a cellphone?

It's not important how the screen looked in TOS. This isn't TOS.

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis...

My friend, I never said it *had* to look like the one in TOS...

 

[number6]

If your big screen TV at home had a picture quality like that viewscreeen (in that shot of Nero) would you rant and rave over how cool it looks?

I dunno - can we apply the same pointless rationalization that's always offered for why the TOS communicators aren't oversized and outdated - because they're doing so much more than a cellphone?

It's not important how the screen looked in TOS. This isn't TOS.

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis...

My friend, I never said it *had* to look like the one in TOS...

You may have never said that, but many who are vocally opposed to this film seem to base their opinions on how un-TOS things look.

 

[QuasarVM]

I dunno - can we apply the same pointless rationalization that's always offered for why the TOS communicators aren't oversized and outdated - because they're doing so much more than a cellphone?

It's not important how the screen looked in TOS. This isn't TOS.

Dennis, Dennis, Dennis...

My friend, I never said it *had* to look like the one in TOS...

You may have never said that, but many who are vocally opposed to this film seem to base their opinions on how un-TOS things look.

Yeah, I know...

I'm not in that camp.

I just want things to look GOOD. I'm ok with things being different, but let's accept the fact that different is not always better. I'm not for change just for change's sake. If it makes sense to change it...then sure...go for it!

I realize that's all subjective...and again -- I just know what appeals to me.

But, I love it when fans read more into posts than what was intended by the author. I realize I may be guilty of doing that myself. This is not a perfect method of communication.

 

[Ghrakh]

The lack of reflections on viewscreens before were never a problem. I guess then it was more about the content than the viewscreen itself. This looks like a case of a solution in search of a problem, meaning, a desire to apply some kind of special effect onto a scene when none really is needed.

 

[trevanian]

I'm glad you like his stuff. I find his style to be overblown, pompous and derivative.

Perhaps you'd care to reread my post, and pay attention.

Except for UNBREAKABLE, I'm not a fan of his stuff (haven't even seen the last couple.) Maybe you need to start liking his stuff in order to keep disagreeing with me.

Why?

Because you were misrepresenting me, saying I like a director when I made it clear I did not. If that is the degree of attention you put into reading posts, it is likely you're missing a lot of the content in them.

 

[trevanian]

But, I love it when fans read more into posts than what was intended by the author.

More, or just whatever they choose to?

What I see in this thread is the gang-up and make fun approach that typifies 2nd grade mentality, one that disregards or misreads content as it chooses, which, to use the old Meyer phrase (albeit in a different context), is about as cliched a 'plaid pants-Republican' mindset as you can find.

 

[QuasarVM]

But, I love it when fans read more into posts than what was intended by the author.

More, or just whatever they choose to?

What I see in this thread is the gang-up and make fun approach that typifies 2nd grade mentality, one that disregards or misreads content as it chooses, which, to use the old Meyer phrase (albeit in a different context), is about as cliched a 'plaid pants-Republican' mindset as you can find.

Either one...

I don't think we need to bring politics to this particular subject...the behavior itself is enough. I don't care which political party they belong to.

 

[trevanian]

But, I love it when fans read more into posts than what was intended by the author.

More, or just whatever they choose to?

What I see in this thread is the gang-up and make fun approach that typifies 2nd grade mentality, one that disregards or misreads content as it chooses, which, to use the old Meyer phrase (albeit in a different context), is about as cliched a 'plaid pants-Republican' mindset as you can find.

Either one...

I don't think we need to bring politics to this particular subject...the behavior itself is enough. I don't care which political party they belong to.

Agreed, just was trying to make it more than a one-line post.

 

[QuasarVM]

More, or just whatever they choose to?

What I see in this thread is the gang-up and make fun approach that typifies 2nd grade mentality, one that disregards or misreads content as it chooses, which, to use the old Meyer phrase (albeit in a different context), is about as cliched a 'plaid pants-Republican' mindset as you can find.

Either one...

I don't think we need to bring politics to this particular subject...the behavior itself is enough. I don't care which political party they belong to.

Agreed, just was trying to make it more than a one-line post.

Gotcha!

 

[ancient]

I don't think the visual details will really make any difference when I'm actually watching the movie. Unless the movie actually blows really bad, in which case the audience has a lot of time to sit and nitpick. But I doubt that's the case.

The glare doesn't really seem to add anything, much less anything good to the design of the viewscreen, imo. No improvement over TOS there.

It seems odd to me some of the choices Abrams has made. He changed the look of the ship, which is one of the least dated and best looking parts of TOS, while at the same time keeping the much more dated and silly uniform design. Personally (armchair director moment) I would've kept the ship more the same and lost the uniforms given a choice.

If anything, I think my biggest concern with the pre-released visuals is that the movie is really all over the place in terms of style. Some parts are very gritty, other parts are very unrealistic and stylized, some parts are very retro, other parts are very futuristic or modern. It could work or it might all clash terribly. Here's hoping it works out, but it just seems really hard to nail the movie down.

This is why we have people accusing the movie of ripping off BSG and 2001ASO and GQ at the same time.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The lack of reflections on viewscreens before were never a problem. I guess then it was more about the content than the viewscreen itself.

Nope. Like everything else, it was about what they could afford and what they thought the audience would buy.

This looks like a case of a solution in search of a problem, meaning, a desire to apply some kind of special effect onto a scene when none really is needed.

Nope, it's a desire to make the thing appear to interact with the environment in some way that might get people who aren't already predisposed to believe in it to accept it unconsciously as something other than a post-production effect.

One of the best things about this movie so far - one of the things that clearly comes from bringing in all new people - is that they're looking at various aspects of the thing without having their solutions dictated primarily by the way it's been done before. What ought this magic viewscreen look like, as opposed to "what did it look like the last fifty times they designed one?"

 

[ancient]

"what did it look like the last fifty times they designed one?"

A sort of rounded rectangle with pictures.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

"what did it look like the last fifty times they designed one?"

A sort of rounded rectangle with pictures.

Okay, well let's do that then. Since no one's tired of Star Trek at all and everyone finds it so engaging and believable, we'll just take the approach that we can assume that every aspect of it is fine except for the couple of things that trekkies complain about a lot on the Internet.

 

[ancient]

"what did it look like the last fifty times they designed one?"

A sort of rounded rectangle with pictures.

Okay, well let's do that then. Since no one's tired of Star Trek at all and everyone finds it so engaging and believable, we'll just take the approach that we can assume that every aspect of it is fine except for the couple of things that trekkies complain about a lot on the Internet.

I'm just hoping for some more blue glow on the nacelles to make Trek interesting and believable again.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

A sort of rounded rectangle with pictures.

Okay, well let's do that then. Since no one's tired of Star Trek at all and everyone finds it so engaging and believable, we'll just take the approach that we can assume that every aspect of it is fine except for the couple of things that trekkies complain about a lot on the Internet.

I'm just hoping for some more blue glow on the nacelles to make Trek interesting and believable again.

Nah, it's the communicators. They have to have flip-tops; that's where the whole Franchise went wrong.

 

[ancient]

Okay, well let's do that then. Since no one's tired of Star Trek at all and everyone finds it so engaging and believable, we'll just take the approach that we can assume that every aspect of it is fine except for the couple of things that trekkies complain about a lot on the Internet.

I'm just hoping for some more blue glow on the nacelles to make Trek interesting and believable again.

Nah, it's the communicators. They have to have flip-tops; that's where the whole Franchise went wrong.

The whole franchise really went downhill after the phasers stopped having those little phasers in them.

No really, it's not like I'm against shaking stuff up a bit.

The ship being built on the ground - very cool
The extra detailing on the hull of the ships - very cool
The look of San Francisco - very cool
Making the phaser out of metal - very cool
Robocop - very cool
The new warp look - very cool

Putting an extra digit on the Kelvin's registry - who gives a crap, it makes sense, it's just different.

Putting glare on the viewer...meh, that's...not really that amazing. Not really cool enough to justify the unreality of it, to me anyway.

 

[Guartho]

And why would they project the comm-image of Nero over the forward-view?

So you can keep an eye on that shifty mofo while he tries to distract you by talking to you.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Not really cool enough to justify the unreality of it, to me anyway.

<shrug> Looks more real to me than the old way.