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[ST-One]

If you keep the camera moving and cutting all the time, then folks don't get a chance to dwell on stuff. If you're doing this because you're DARK STAR and you cost low to mid FIVE figures and your backpacks are made from frozen muffin holders, this is smart. If you're a NINE figure budget, you ought to be able to dwell on stuff for a bit, since you've got the cash to do it right.

Says who?

 

[trevanian]

If you keep the camera moving and cutting all the time, then folks don't get a chance to dwell on stuff. If you're doing this because you're DARK STAR and you cost low to mid FIVE figures and your backpacks are made from frozen muffin holders, this is smart. If you're a NINE figure budget, you ought to be able to dwell on stuff for a bit, since you've got the cash to do it right.

Says who?

Says me. Did I put quote marks around something?

Seriously, would you go back through any thread you've been in and read your posts? Especially with respect -- I use that word advisedly -- to the comments of the other posters (you can skip mine, I'm sure you already know those.) It's pretty obnoxious, and that's coming from somebody who can often come off that way himself (especially when I'm right), though the basis for your views seems to be gleaned from whatever source you're cozying up to, or to try to scare any honest concern over this movie away from the boards. I don't know if you've got your head on straight, but why don't you see if you can find your reflection in the rear view mirror before going off on all these folks so annoyingly ... especially when you're NOT offering any new info or perspective.

Really, man, do some reflection (and not in an anti-glare mirror, obviously.)

 

[M'Sharak]

Even here we see reflections.

Yeah, but I'm distracted away from that by the crummy lights they have on the helm/nav station.

I don't think it is going to be any one or two design items that prove to be really distracting ... I think that most of the show is going to be that way, for those who notice this stuff.

Yeah, but only, as someone else already said, in a still. But since this is a motion picture (and I didn't even notice those ugly lamps in the trailer) I don't care what distracts me in still as long as it doesn't also distract me in the actual film-scene.

Which was sort of what I was trying to get at in my reply to Vance, back on the second page. I don't think these reflections and glares are going to dominate the pictures when they're in motion; rather, I suspect they'll be transitory, passing through a shot in a calculated manner, obscuring little or nothing, and not anything you'd be able to dwell on in a longer shot.

For the trailer, yes, it's going to be moving and cutting a lot -- that's just the nature of the beast -- but I neither expect nor want the whole movie to be that way. That, too, is an effect, and one which can be overused.

 

[ST-One]

If you keep the camera moving and cutting all the time, then folks don't get a chance to dwell on stuff. If you're doing this because you're DARK STAR and you cost low to mid FIVE figures and your backpacks are made from frozen muffin holders, this is smart. If you're a NINE figure budget, you ought to be able to dwell on stuff for a bit, since you've got the cash to do it right.

Says who?

Says me. Did I put quote marks around something?

Seriously, would you go back through any thread you've been in and read your posts? Especially with respect -- I use that word advisedly -- to the comments of the other posters (you can skip mine, I'm sure you already know those.) It's pretty obnoxious, and that's coming from somebody who can often come off that way himself (especially when I'm right), though the basis for your views seems to be gleaned from whatever source you're cozying up to, or to try to scare any honest concern over this movie away from the boards. I don't know if you've got your head on straight, but why don't you see if you can find your reflection in the rear view mirror before going off on all these folks so annoyingly ... especially when you're NOT offering any new info or perspective.

Really, man, do some reflection (and not in an anti-glare mirror, obviously.)

Well, since a mirror is one big reflection...

And, btw, some here a damning this movie because of some reflections on fucking glass window.
Where is the perspective in that? Mhmm?

 

[ST-One]

Yeah, but I'm distracted away from that by the crummy lights they have on the helm/nav station.

I don't think it is going to be any one or two design items that prove to be really distracting ... I think that most of the show is going to be that way, for those who notice this stuff.

Yeah, but only, as someone else already said, in a still. But since this is a motion picture (and I didn't even notice those ugly lamps in the trailer) I don't care what distracts me in still as long as it doesn't also distract me in the actual film-scene.

Which was sort of what I was trying to get at in my reply to Vance, back on the second page. I don't think these reflections and glares are going to dominate the pictures when they're in motion; rather, I suspect they'll be transitory, passing through a shot in a calculated manner, obscuring little or nothing, and not anything you'd be able to dwell on in a longer shot.

For the trailer, yes, it's going to be moving and cutting a lot -- that's just the nature of the beast -- but I neither expect nor want the whole movie to be that way. That, too, is an effect, and one which can be overused.

 

[Patrickivan]

While off topic of the thread, I'd like to point out that the floors in the corridors are horribly distracting. The glare is horrible!!!

 

[ST-One]

While off topic of the thread, I'd like to point out that the floors in the corridors are horribly distracting. The glare is horrible!!!

Yeah, but they also gave you the miniskirts for THE WOMEN back.

 

[miraclefan]

Does nobody on this thread have anything more important to do in there lives then Bitch & Moan about the Glare from an imaginary View-screen? And trekies wonder why people in the mainstream may think were WEIRD!?

 

[Patrickivan]

While off topic of the thread, I'd like to point out that the floors in the corridors are horribly distracting. The glare is horrible!!!

Yeah, but they also gave you the miniskirts for THE WOMEN back.

And I am very very very happy about that!

Down with glare! Up with skirts!

Miriclefan, if I had something better to do with my time then complain about glares on viewscreens, I'd be doing it! But I'm married with children, so no, I don't have anything better to do.

And yes, my wife makes fun of our little conversations...

 

[number6]

^ ..as well she should!!

 

[miraclefan]

While off topic of the thread, I'd like to point out that the floors in the corridors are horribly distracting. The glare is horrible!!!

Yeah, but they also gave you the miniskirts for THE WOMEN back.

And I am very very very happy about that!

Down with glare! Up with skirts!

Miriclefan, if I had something better to do with my time then complain about glares on viewscreens, I'd be doing it! But I'm married with children, so no, I don't have anything better to do.

And yes, my wife makes fun of our little conversations...

^ OOOOH! WOW sorry I really don't know what to say there except that's pretty rough! Not about the wife and kids thing, I mean the Ms. making fun of "our" little conversations, now that's a low blow. I'm happy to say everyone in my family ( minus Father) are nerds!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

If you keep the camera moving and cutting ...frozen muffin holders... got the cash to do it right.

Says who?

Don't you know that there's only one way to make these movies? It was laid down three decades ago, and neither the expectations of audiences nor anything else in popular culture should be allowed to change.

 

[number6]

If you keep the camera moving and cutting ...frozen muffin holders... got the cash to do it right.

Says who?

Don't you know that there's only one way to make these movies? It was laid down three decades ago, and neither the expectations of audiences nor anything else in popular culture should be allowed to change.

But what about the muffin holders??? I will sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boycott this film if they get that wrong!!!

 

[QuasarVM]

If your big screen TV at home had a picture quality like that viewscreeen (in that shot of Nero) would you rant and rave over how cool it looks?



I think not.

But, I am fairly sure there's something plot-related going on in that scene that explains why it looks the way it does in that one shot.

 

[number6]

If your big screen TV at home had a picture quality like that viewscreeen (in that shot of Nero) would you rant and rave over how cool it looks?



I think not.

My TV isn't also my window so it's hard to say. We also know nothing of the context of the photo of Nero on the viewscreen/window/reflection.

 

[QuasarVM]

If your big screen TV at home had a picture quality like that viewscreeen (in that shot of Nero) would you rant and rave over how cool it looks?



I think not.

My TV isn't also my window so it's hard to say. We also know nothing of the context of the photo of Nero on the viewscreen/window/reflection.

"But, I am fairly sure there's something plot-related going on in that scene that explains why it looks the way it does in that one shot."

 

[number6]

Always possible and likely something none of us are thinking of.

 

[shapeshifter]

During the course of TOS was the screen ever seen at an angle other than directly in front of it?

I don't think so*, so I propose the reflectional aspect of the new IMG verses the non-reflectional other IMG added to this thread illustrate a characteristic of this window/viewscreen...

Bridge reflections occur when viewed at oblique angles and not so much from directly ahead. Everyone not situated directly in front have their own monitors and therefore have no need to use the main window/monitor.

*I do remember one time Kirk was standing off to the side when an important IMG came onscreen. Instead of just viewing it from where he was standing he raced back to his chair, to get a clear view of screen without the distortions, perhaps?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

If your big screen TV at home had a picture quality like that viewscreeen (in that shot of Nero) would you rant and rave over how cool it looks?

I dunno - can we apply the same pointless rationalization that's always offered for why the TOS communicators aren't oversized and outdated - because they're doing so much more than a cellphone?

It's not important how the screen looked in TOS. This isn't TOS.

 

[trevanian]

Says who?

Don't you know that there's only one way to make these movies? It was laid down three decades ago, and neither the expectations of audiences nor anything else in popular culture should be allowed to change.

But what about the muffin holders??? I will sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boycott this film if they get that wrong!!!

I don't see why you need to hypercut most 150mil flicks (I'm guessing TRANSFORMERS came in at that same number) unless it is suffering from something massive or it shouldn't have gotten the treatment in the first place. I'm not saying you need to M. Night everything, but there's a reason why people buy movies that look wonderful as well as tell great stories, and I think you'd find that most folks probably don't think TRANSFORMERS did either well, except maybe in the cg machine category. I don't imagine crazy camera swooping and overcutting was done in an inspired Welles ToE way here, but rather to appeal to short attention span audiences. To use a more recent example, QUANTUM OF SOLACE, despite a tremendous number of really solid innovations, seems to have been hurt by relentless cutting for a lot of viewers. You've got one of the best DPs around shooting it and a really decent director, so it could probably withstand scrutiny and reflection, especially given the undercurrent present in the story.

As for muffin holders, (I think they were sara lee cinnamon with nut things, but I haven't seen it in 20 years) I also gave TWOK a pass on a lot of sloppy tech points, like the audio cassette carrying cases slapped on the bridge walls, because they had very little to spend on sprucing up that TMP goose of a set. I don't think 12-13 mil in 82 translates to 150mil now, so I certainly won't give this one the same benefit, and that's APART from whatever else is missing in this one.