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Is the US Military Ready for an Alien Invasion?

Mr Light

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This is a serious real-world question, not a goofy one. If an alien armada arrived in orbit tomorrow and started shooting missiles/beams at our cities, what is the US (or world) military prepared to do about it?

Does an anti-alien invasion military plan exist? We have plans for everything, even invading Canada, right?

Are our ICBMs still ready to fire at any moment? Can they be re-targeted to orbital targets?

Do we have any kind of weaponized satellites in orbit already?

Are our space shuttles of any use? How quickly could you do an unplanned emergency lift-off, let's say with nukes in the cargo bay?

Do we possess secret military space shuttles like they said in West Wing?

What about the classified aircraft they test at Area 51?

Also, do we currently have any kind of surveillance of our solar system to see if aliens arrive in our system?
 
1. I'm really not sure about this one. I'm sure there are existing plans to defend against general invasion, although of course most of our defense relies on nuclear deterrence, not necessarily our conventional forces.

2. We still have a large number of nuclear weapons armed and ready, I believe the number is around 1000. I'm sure that it would be relatively easy to re-target them. Our nuclear forces, by the way, are not just isolated to US territory. We also have many based in Europe and of course there are our subs, which play a key role in deterrence because they can't be pre-targeted.

3. To the best of my knowledge we don't have any weaponized satellites, to do so would be to go against international treaties. That doesn't mean they don't exist, but I would guess no.

4. I'd say the space shuttles are of little to no use. A large amount of preparation goes into each launch, it's not like they can be rapidly mobilized like a fighter squadron. Even if they got up there, I don't know what use they'd be. It would be easier to launch an ICBM or place a warhead in another form of rocket than to deploy one from the cargo bay. I'm going to go "useless" on this one.

5. I have no idea. It would be neat, though. Still, I'm going to guess "no". To this point, there's simply been no practical need for them. And, again, there are those pesky international treaties.

6. There have certainly been prototypes tested at Area 51 in the past and I'd imagine there are still some being tested today. Do these have the potential to be the only hope for humanity in an alien invasion? I'm going to, again, guess no. There's no reason to imagine they're anything other than incremental improvements on current technology or anything more groundbreaking than the SR-71 or today's stealth bombers. Neat, but made to deal with confirmed, earth-based threats.

7. I know we keep track of potentially dangerous asteroids, but it's a slow process of tracking via telescope. Even then, apparently it would be relatively easy for a comet on a wide elliptical orbit to pass through the cracks. It's not like we have anything like sensors that are going to start squawking as soon as something enters our local space. I'd say it would be relatively easy for something to get right overhead. And, even if we do detect it, there's not much we can do to stop it until it gets close, and even then all we can do is launch the nukes.

I'm afraid the verdict doesn't look good.
 
If a species capable of interstellar travel came to Earth with the intention of invading, we'd be toast. If they can travel the vast distances of space, surely their weaponry is more advanced than anything we've got on the entire planet, let alone the in the U.S. military.

So basically, I'm thinking... NO.
 
I'd probably agree we're toast; however we're all thinking from a human point of view, we evolved on a planet where the only means of survival was to kill everything that had the potential to kill us first; whose to say that other lifeforms evolved in the same way?

Maybe other successful lifeforms evolved a run away as fast as you can defense mechanism, in which case they might have developed speed for their craft instead of weapons. A stretch I know.

Alien Earth by Megan Lindholm describes planets where lifeforms coexist harmoniously, plants only grow where another plant dies off from natural causes, there is no war/fight for survival.
 
Any alien civilization that has technology so advanced that it can travel space (and probably at a speed greater than light, since the distances would take forever to cross otherwise) with a significant armada could not be matched by any weapons currently available on earth - or probably even weapons that are imaginale for humans at this point in history.
 
Current Nuclear Missiles aren't designed to target a specific target in space, They are designed basically to release the warhead in a very low orbit , which allows the warhead to free fall to the target.
 
We would be toast. What good is firing nukes at an alien craft? Unless it is huge and unmoveable and assuming it has no force field then nukes would be a waste of time.

If I was an alien commander in chief I would do like the aliens did in Independence Day and have my ships near major population centers so if nukes start flying earthlings will only hurt themselves.

As for the US Army, we would get our butts kicked. Look at how we are doing against a bunch of arabs in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are kicking our butts all over the place with IEDs and snipers. An advanced alien race would do much worse to us.
 
If a species capable of interstellar travel came to Earth with the intention of invading, we'd be toast. If they can travel the vast distances of space, surely their weaponry is more advanced than anything we've got on the entire planet, let alone the in the U.S. military.

Reminds me of the Saturday Night Live skit where aliens land and talk like conquerors and give a book to the humans. The book is taken to scientists for analysis.

Scientist: "We see why they wanted the book back after we're done...it's hand written. They don't have printing presses."

General: "So how did such people get a spaceship?"

Scientist "As far as we can tell, they found it."

Later...

Alien (with a flintlock): "We have this weapon which can fire a metal ball every 2 minutes."

Then the general demonstrated a submachine to them, "We have a weapon can fire 40 small metal balls a minutes."

Aliens leave.
 
It depends what their goals were. If it was simply to wipe us out en masse, they could do it easily without even entering orbit, assuming their level of technology is around a century or more beyond ours. Here's how:

From The Killing Star by Charles Pelligrino and George Zebrowski (you really should read this book):

All the energy put into achieving that velocity had transformed the Intruder into a kinetic storage device of nightmarish design. If it struck a world, every gram of the vessel’s substance would be received by that world as the target in a linear accelerator receives a spray of relativistic buckshot. Someone, somewhere, had built and was putting to use a relativistic bomb -- a giant, roving atom smasher aimed at worlds...

The gamma-ray shine of the decelerating half was also detectable, but it made no difference. One of the iron rules of relativistic bombardment was that if you could see something approaching at 92 percent of light speed, it was never where you saw it when you saw it, but was practically upon you...

In the forests below, lakes caught the first rays of the rising Sun and threw them back into space. Abandoning the two-dimensional sprawl of twentieth-century cities, Sri Lanka Tower, and others like it, had been erected in the world’s rain forests and farmlands, leaving the countryside virtually uninhabited. Even in Africa, where more than a hundred city arcologies had risen, nature was beginning to renew itself. It was a good day to be alive, she told herself, taking in the peace of the garden. Then, looking east, she saw it coming -- at least her eyes began to register it -- but her optic nerves did not last long enough to transmit what the eyes had seen.

It was quite small for what it could do -- small enough to fit into an average-sized living room -- but it was moving at 92 percent of light speed when it touched Earth’s atmosphere. A spear point of light appeared, so intense that the air below snapped away from it, creating a low-density tunnel through which the object descended. The walls of the tunnel were a plasma boundary layer, six and a half kilometers wide and more than 160 deep -- the flaming spear that Virginia’s eyes began to register -- with every square foot of its surface radiating a trillion watts, and still its destructive potential was but fractionally spent.

Thirty-three kilometers above the Indian Ocean, the point began to encounter too much air. It tunneled down only eight kilometers more, then stalled and detonated, less than two-thousandths of a second after crossing the orbits of Earth’s nearest artificial satellites.

Virginia was more than three hundred kilometers away when the light burst toward her. Every nerve ending in her body began to record a strange, prickling sensation -- the sheer pressure of photons trying to push her backward. No shadows were cast anywhere in the tower, so bright was the glare. It pierced walls, ceramic beams, notepads, and people -- four hundred thousand people. The maglev terminal connecting Sri Lanka Tower to London and Sydney, the waste treatment centers that sustained the lakes and farms, all the shops, theaters, and apartments liquefied instantly. The structure began to slip and crash like a giant waterfall, but gravity could not yank it down fast enough. The Tower became vapor before it could fall half a meter. At the vanished city’s feet, the trees of the forest were no longer able to cast shadows; they had themselves become long shadows of carbonized dust on the ground.

In Kandy and Columbo, where sidewalks steamed, the relativistic onslaught was unfinished. The electromagnetic pulse alone killed every living thing as far away as Bombay and the Maldives. All of India south of the Godavari River became an instant microwave oven. Nearer the epicenter, Demon Rock glowed with a fierce red heat, then fractured down its center, as if to herald the second coming of the tyrant it memorialized. The air blast followed, surging out of the Indian Ocean -- faster than sound -- flattening whatever still stood. As it slashed north through Jaffna and Madurai, the wave front was met and overpowered by shocks rushing out from strikes in central and southern India.

Across the face of the planet, without warning, thousands of flaming swords pierced the sky...

Then out of no where -- out of the deep impersonal nowhere -- came a bombardment that even the science fiction writers had failed to entertain.
Just nine days short of America’s tricentennial celebrations, every inhabited planetary surface in the solar system had been wiped clean by relativistic bombs. Research centers on Mars, Europa, and Ganymede were silent; even tiny Phobos and Moo-kau were silent. Port Chaffee was silent. New York, Colombo, Wellington, the Mercury Power Project and the Asimov Array. Silent. Silent. Silent.

A Valkyrie rocket’s transmission of Mercury’s surface had revealed thousands of saucer-shaped depressions where only hours before had existed a planet-spanning carpet of solar panels. The transmission had lasted only a few seconds -- just long enough for Isak to realize there would be no more of the self-replicating robots that had built the array of panels and accelerators, just long enough for him to understand that humanity no longer possessed a fuel source for its antimatter rockets -- and then the transmission had ceased abruptly as the Valkyrie disappeared in a silent white glare.

Presently, most of the station’s scopes and spectrographs were turning Earthward, and Isak found it impossible to believe what they revealed. The Moon rising over Africa from behind Earth was peppered with new fields of craters. The planet below looked like a ball of cotton stained grayish yellow. The top five meters of ocean had boiled off under the assault, and sea level air was three times denser than the day before -- and twice as hot...

The sobering truth is that relativistic civilizations are a potential nightmare to anyone living within range of them. The problem is that objects traveling at an appreciable fraction of light speed are never where you see them when you see them (i.e., light-speed lag). Relativistic rockets, if their owners turn out to be less than benevolent, are both totally unstoppable and totally destructive. A starship weighing in at 1,500 tons (approximately the weight of a fully fueled space shuttle sitting on the launchpad) impacting an earthlike planet at "only" 30 percent of lightspeed will release 1.5 million megatons of energy -- an explosive force equivalent to 150 times today's global nuclear arsenal... (ed note: this means the freaking thing has about nine hundred mega-Ricks of damage!) The most humbling feature of the relativistic bomb is that even if you happen to see it coming, its exact motion and position can never be determined; and given a technology even a hundred orders of magnitude above our own, you cannot hope to intercept one of these weapons.

It often happens, in these discussions, that an expression from the old west arises: "God made some men bigger and stronger than others, but Mr. Colt made all men equal." Variations on Mr. Colt's weapon are still popular today, even in a society that possesses hydrogen bombs. Similarly, no matter how advanced civilizations grow, the relativistic bomb is not likely to go away...
If they wanted to take our real estate away from us and/or enslave us, we'd stand a far better chance.
 
We have absolutely no way of knowing what kind of technology they would be brandishing, how their engines systems would work, nor how effective their weapons would be.

Popular science fiction, from ID-4 to SG-1 have tried to address this, but in all actuality, there is no real way to be prepared in real time today for an attack tomorrow. Unless the US Government (and this question was posed specifically about the US) has advance knowledge that has been kept secret ... and let's face it, Bill Clinton couldn't even keep a BJ in the Oval a secret, we're probably going to be guessing upon contact.

Is FTL a WMD? Depends on the method. Warp speed as we understand it on Star Trek would be a suicide WMD. FTL jumps from BSG would not be usable as CaptCalhoun suggests, and, IIRC from Stargate, their FTL safely goes through a planet.

Would they have usable beam weapons? Projectiles? Nukes? BSG depicts a relatively advanced society (FTL jump tech, something akin to Asimov's positronic brain), but seems contemporary in weapons tech and even medical tech. Would this be a more realistic society?

The fact of the matter is that we don't know, because we only have our tech and our Trek to compare to. We don't have anything else of realism to compare our weapons to.

If they show up with phasers and photon torpedoes (or even photonic ones), we're realitively screwed. If they show up brandishing bullets, bayonets, and nukes, we're still realitvely screwed, just because there's no guarantee that we can get our nukes into space to defend us, but at least we're on the same page devicewise.

We also have only our physics to understand the universe. Do we know everything? Do we know only very little? Are we in the middle? What else is out there.

An optimal situation would be some sort of telescope that could get us a visual on a planet's development. It sounds like that kind of fine tuned technology is in the works, but it's still not realtime. We could look at another Earth, see them as a threat, but no know that they wiped each other out in a nuclear war last year.

Now that I've issued this manifesto, I think I can give a short answer. Until we develop FTL tech of our own, NO, the US, nor any other country's, military is not ready for an alien invasion.
 
Then they'd either better have one heck of a huge fleet, or wipe us out immediately. Because any prolonged conflict without supply lines isn't going to end well for them.
 
what if they came in generational ships, kinda like they sweep through the universe raping worlds for goods and stuff, and earth is next on their list
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the Pentagon had some sort of plan since they apparently have contingencies for everything else... the plan probably sucks though, we'd be screwed.
 
If they wanted control of the planet and wanted us out of the way, they wouldn't bother with conventional weapons like bombs or beam weapons. They'd probably just kidnap some humans from around the world as test subjects, genetically engineer a targeted virus, deploy it all over the world simultaneously, and wipe us out without us ever knowing they were here, leaving the animals, environment, and human infrastructure intact for them to exploit.

Doesn't exactly make for an exciting movie though.
 
If an alien civilization is capable of (and motivated to) cross interstellar space to destroy or conquer us, we would indeed be toast. We have few weapons capable of even reaching orbit.

However, it is possible to imagine a scenario of an alien invasion that is fightable and winnable. If a generational ship arrived expecting an uninhabited world to settle and found it occupied, they could conceivably have a leadership or culture that would (or feel desperate enough to) want to conquer or destroy us. Since they would have limited resources and be without a dedicated military, they would have to improvise. This would be an interesting scenario for a novel.
 
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