Countdown #2 reviewed - spoilers I suppose [Definitely Spoilers]

[Kchunda]

Re: Countdown #2 reviewed - spoilers I suppose

Re: the primary target. . .

I understand why Nero was looking around the Enterprise's data banks for information, simply out of curiosity about a culture his people have had such a tumultuous relationship with since before its founding. . .

. . . but why does he go the "Starfleet" "History" "Enterprise" "Captains" route? What could he hope to learn by doing so, and what could be "useful" to him from that perspective?

Probably wanted to find more about Data.

Or maybe as a member of a different race with a different set of perspectives Nero was just trying to find out as much about his enemy as possible even if some of it ended up being superfluous from a practical point of view. Better to know too much than too little?

From http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=83888&page=3

Well, the comics appear to be telling us that Nero's revenge is a Highlander-esque one, i.e. "I will hurt everything and everyone you care about, because in my mind, you did the same to me."

Thus, he sets out to destroy Vulcan (and, it seems, Spock's family there) because Romulus was destroyed, and messes with Kirk's history because he's the person closest to Spock...

Granted cooleddie, he said he was going to mine the database for all its worth (as he says) and I understand why he's searching terms such as "Hobus System" "Red Matter" "Decalithium" and "Memory Alpha".

But how in the world is a history of enterpise captains going to help, especially if anything not public knowledge would also get an "Access Denied"?

Is the general assumption that he goes back in time to specifically mess with Kirk Sr. - not Pike (or April) - and Vulcan, just to get back at Spock (and Vulcan)?

So was he either planning his revenge ahead of time, or just spending the evening playing on wikipedia - which just happens to come in handy down the road when he wants to make Spock and Vulcan suffer?

 

[miraclefan]

Re: Countdown #2 reviewed - spoilers I suppose

So was he either planning his revenge ahead of time, or just spending the evening playing on wikipedia - which just happens to come in handy down the road when he wants to make Spock and Vulcan suffer?

^ I don't know why, but for some reason the idea that Wikipedia ( of the FUTURE!) is responsible for giveing someone ALL of a country's( or in this case the FEDERATIONS) History & probably a how-to guide on HOW to blow up a planet doesn't seem so far-fetched!

 

[slappy]

Re: Countdown #2 reviewed - spoilers I suppose

Probably wanted to find more about Data.

Or maybe as a member of a different race with a different set of perspectives Nero was just trying to find out as much about his enemy as possible even if some of it ended up being superfluous from a practical point of view. Better to know too much than too little?

From http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=83888&page=3

Well, the comics appear to be telling us that Nero's revenge is a Highlander-esque one, i.e. "I will hurt everything and everyone you care about, because in my mind, you did the same to me."

Thus, he sets out to destroy Vulcan (and, it seems, Spock's family there) because Romulus was destroyed, and messes with Kirk's history because he's the person closest to Spock...

Granted cooleddie, he said he was going to mine the database for all its worth (as he says) and I understand why he's searching terms such as "Hobus System" "Red Matter" "Decalithium" and "Memory Alpha".

But how in the world is a history of enterpise captains going to help, especially if anything not public knowledge would also get an "Access Denied"?

Is the general assumption that he goes back in time to specifically mess with Kirk Sr. - not Pike (or April) - and Vulcan, just to get back at Spock (and Vulcan)?

So was he either planning his revenge ahead of time, or just spending the evening playing on wikipedia - which just happens to come in handy down the road when he wants to make Spock and Vulcan suffer?

Perhaps he simply wanted to gather more information on Spock. Spock WAS the captain of the Enterprise at a couple of points. Also, examining Spock's relationship to Kirk would provide info as to Spock's standing with Vulcan. That's pertinent because he knew time was of the essence. Also, maybe he was just curious about Starfleet history and Kirk is a big part of said history.

I think Nero wants (will want) to hurt the Vulcans in general. Countdown is far from over and I think his motives for wanting to hurt Spock specifically will become more fleshed out. Probably a result of Spock trying to get in his way.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: Countdown #2 reviewed - spoilers I suppose

Y'know, establishing a rapport with the local comic book store is a good way.

Since 1979.

 

[ThereAre4Lights]

Feels unfair that one of the most important planets in the Trek universe is destroyed so easily. Not by Borg, Dominion, Klingons, even Federation but by some weird space phenomenon. (In TNG's "All good things", the planet wuz under klingon rule in the future). Since Remus wuz in the same star system, I presume it's been fragged as well.

 

[Franklin]

"Countdown" happens in 2386 based on the 63000-range stardates in the books. Which places both the overall storyline and the genesis of Nero's time-travel plot 18 years after "Unification(TNG)".

Picard was born in 2305, so that means he's 81. Might explain his career move.

 

[blaXXer]

Feels unfair that one of the most important planets in the Trek universe is destroyed so easily. Not by Borg, Dominion, Klingons, even Federation but by some weird space phenomenon. (In TNG's "All good things", the planet was under klingon rule in the future). Since Remus was in the same star system, I presume it's been destroyed as well.

chatspeak doesn't make you cool.

 

[Kemaiku]

Yes Remus should have been in the frame as well, and presumably blew up the same way, which means the entire Reman race is now gone. Since I can't see the Romulans wasting time and resources relocating them too.

Which could explain why the Remans attacked the Narada, fearing their extinction unless they somehow convinced the Romulans or the Federation to take notice and help them.

 

[miraclefan]

Yes Remus should have been in the frame as well, and presumably blew up the same way, which means the entire Reman race is now gone. Since I can't see the Romulans wasting time and resources relocating them too.

Which could explain why the Remans attacked the Narada, fearing their extinction unless they somehow convinced the Romulans or the Federation to take notice and help them.

HUH! you know, I didn't think of that, but it makes sense.

 

[EyalM]

Yes Remus should have been in the frame as well, and presumably blew up the same way, which means the entire Reman race is now gone. Since I can't see the Romulans wasting time and resources relocating them too.

We don't know that the Remans were only living on Remus. There might be some other crap-hole mining planets that the Romulans may have used them on.

But either way, as a civilization, both the Romualns and the Remans may be beyond help right now.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

We don't know that the Remans were only living on Remus. There might be some other crap-hole mining planets that the Romulans may have used them on.

The Remans staged an effective revolution and came into possession of quite a few starships. No reason to think that they're all back working on the chain gang.

 

[EyalM]

We don't know that the Remans were only living on Remus. There might be some other crap-hole mining planets that the Romulans may have used them on.

The Remans staged an effective revolution and came into possession of quite a few starships. No reason to think that they're all back working on the chain gang.

OK
Though I'd doubth they managed to relocate a sizable chunk of their population since Nemesis (or that the Romulan managed to move much of the population of Romulus before the shock wave hit, for that matter).

 

[Captain Randy Hall]

Feels unfair that one of the most important planets in the Trek universe is destroyed so easily. Not by Borg, Dominion, Klingons, even Federation but by some weird space phenomenon. (In TNG's "All good things", the planet wuz under klingon rule in the future). Since Remus wuz in the same star system, I presume it's been fragged as well.

Let's not forget that this is a time travel story. When something like this happens and involves time travel, that's a clear sign that everything is going to snap back into place at the end.

Just a thought.

 

[Kchunda]

Feels unfair that one of the most important planets in the Trek universe is destroyed so easily. Not by Borg, Dominion, Klingons, even Federation but by some weird space phenomenon. (In TNG's "All good things", the planet wuz under klingon rule in the future). Since Remus wuz in the same star system, I presume it's been fragged as well.

Let's not forget that this is a time travel story. When something like this happens and involves time travel, that's a clear sign that everything is going to snap back into place at the end.

Just a thought.

Wow - that just kinda blew my mind. . . So do you think either Nero or Spock will try to "disable" the Hobus star in the past so it either doesn't go supernova and destroy Romulus?

I always kinda wondered why the Kelvin was checking out a star in the first place. Maybe the Narada and the Kelvin meet by accident in the past?

 

[cooleddie74]

"Countdown" happens in 2386 based on the 63000-range stardates in the books. Which places both the overall storyline and the genesis of Nero's time-travel plot 18 years after "Unification(TNG)".

Picard was born in 2305, so that means he's 81. Might explain his career move.

Exactly. Even in the alternate/Q-created future of 2395 in "All Good Things(TNG)" Picard was an ambassador(and already retired at that)at the age of 90. It seems the TREK universe seems determined to make Jean-Luc an ambassador and paper-pusher in his old age...no matter what timeline it occurs in, real or not.

 

[Augustus]

Yeah, but that is what he should be I think, don't want to get off topic, but just like Kirk was destined to always be a Captain, I couldn't see Picard wanting to stay an admiral or just retire, I could see him traveling around the galaxy spreading his bald headed wisdom

Back on topic. When does it say that the Kelvin was checking out a star?

 

[Kemaiku]

We don't know that the Remans were only living on Remus. There might be some other crap-hole mining planets that the Romulans may have used them on.

The Remans staged an effective revolution and came into possession of quite a few starships. No reason to think that they're all back working on the chain gang.

OK
Though I'd doubth they managed to relocate a sizable chunk of their population since Nemesis (or that the Romulan managed to move much of the population of Romulus before the shock wave hit, for that matter).

The ones manning their little fleet of micro-Scimitar's more than likely survived, and given the interruption in the Senate and confusion in the Romulan main fleet at Shinzon's rise to power, they could have managed to get enough transports to move some of their people.

But I get the feeling that the bulk of such a race would still have been on Remus, they may not be extinct but their new found freedom could end abruptly unless they repopulate somewhere else soon.

 

[Plecostomus]

They travel back in time and set up a pasta manufacturing plant on Earth. So the race does survive, just not as we know it on screen.

 

[Kemaiku]

They travel back in time and set up a pasta manufacturing plant on Earth. So the race does survive, just not as we know it on screen.

Actually it looks as if most of them traveled back only to end up extras in Buffy *cough*TurokHan*cough*

 

[cooleddie74]

They travel back in time and set up a pasta manufacturing plant on Earth. So the race does survive, just not as we know it on screen.

Actually it looks as if most of them traveled back only to end up extras in Buffy *cough*TurokHan*cough*

So...an even WORSE fate, then.