That's been my assumption as well.
Did David Mack & Pocket Consider the Following About Destiny?
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Well I didn't like the Destiny trilogy in the least but I still see possibilities in the follow up.
But I'm not hopeful.
I've always wondered though.
With the Pocket editors apparently allowed to make wholesale changes in the Trek universe, why not have the Klingons permanently revert back to being enemies of the Federation?
But I'm not hopeful.
I've always wondered though.
With the Pocket editors apparently allowed to make wholesale changes in the Trek universe, why not have the Klingons permanently revert back to being enemies of the Federation?
Star Trek: Online is doing that.
Really?!
That's... well, stupid!
I feel like having the Klingons join the team, so to speak, was one of the strongest statements of Star Trek's morality of progress and peace that the universe ever came up with. I was even a little pissed off at DS9's momentary diversion.
ETA: Wow, they're not even having the Klingons just be one enemy; they're the other playable faction entirely. So the whole game is war between Federation and Klingons. Yep - not playing that.
I'm kinda dubious, unless there's a very good in-game reason. No Praxis explosion?
Sadly, nothing that I've read about Star Trek: Online has sounded appealing to me. 
Given the state of Federation/Klingon relations in All Good Things (and yes I know it's an Alt timeline) and the Klingons becoming protectorates of the Remens and the break up of the Romulan Star Empire post Nemesis, I wouldn't have been surprised to learn that these latter events may feed into that timeline. Also, isn't there still quiet a bit of disent towards the Khitimor Accords amoung the Klingon High Council?
^ Hasn't most of the Klingon High Council been killed in the Borg assault on Qo'nos? Martok is now the undisputed ruler of the Empire or rather what's left of it and he is not going to break the alliance any time soon.
Me too. I was very glad that that only lasted that one season. Personally, I'm looking forward to when the Klingons join the Federation, which really does seem to be where things have been headed lately. And didn't Enterprise even say that they would join by the 26th Century.
Really?!
That's... well, stupid!
I feel like having the Klingons join the team, so to speak, was one of the strongest statements of Star Trek's morality of progress and peace that the universe ever came up with. I was even a little pissed off at DS9's momentary diversion.
As for STonline, I started losing interst as soon as they announced there would only be one human player on each ship. I was looking forward to being a crewmember on a ship with other players on it.
Thrawn, where do you see that? I'm kind of bummed at that turn of events.
I went to IGN.com and gamespot.com, searched for Star Trek: Online, and read the most recent feature on each site.
My big question is if there is a 'plan'. Sure, there is a plan to have a pact amongst other civilizations that have banded together to surround the feds, but amongst the writers, is there a plan on a resolution to that turn of events? Just how far down the road is the manuscript laid out?
Yes, I know that things change depending on what happens in certain books, but as far as a multiyear plan, I'm hoping that faith in our writers is well placed.
Chris, if not a typhoon....or a hurricane, what do you call that storm on droplet hmm? You gotta be able to give me some special name for it....please
Yes, I know that things change depending on what happens in certain books, but as far as a multiyear plan, I'm hoping that faith in our writers is well placed.
Chris, if not a typhoon....or a hurricane, what do you call that storm on droplet hmm? You gotta be able to give me some special name for it....please
That's a bit like asking if there's a plan on resolution to the creation of NATO, isn't it? The Typhon Pact doesn't necessarily represent a single story with a beginning, middle, and end. Looks to me like it represents a fundamental change in the setting of the stories, not a single story in its own right.
I actually agree with you on this. I think that it's much more interesting if the Klingons don't join the Federation, but are nonetheless able to work in peace with them. That's a much more complicated and interesting moral message than either "everyone joins the Federation eventually" or "we just can't get along"; it shows that even diametrically opposed worldviews can live with each other, as long as they're smart and moral about it. Which to me is a rather excellently Star Trek sort of idea.
Depends on how you define their "edge." It's probably fair to say that Klingon culture would retain its normative acts of homicide and violence, though there would probably need to be specific legal agreements made whereby any fellow Federate who chooses to live inside Klingon territory would have to acknowledge and consent to those cultural practices, for instance. I also rather imagine that the Federation would probably require the Klingons to liberate all of their jeghpu'wI, or to grant them equal rights within Klingon society (and give them the option to choose to leave the Klingon Empire if they want). Expansionism and conquest would certainly have to go.
I rather imagine that the Klingon Empire would have to modify its governmental structure to a democratic form. There would need to be, I would think, a popularly-elected High Council and either a popularly-elected or indirectly elected Chancellor. The monarchy could stay, but it would have to be ceremonial.
Personally, I'd be happy if the Klingons lost that "edge." There are plenty of aspects about their culture that would be admirable if they could mature out of their stupid fixation on killing and violence and the grossly hypocritical notion that there's something "honorable" about deliberately starting wars and blood feuds. That's just not a rational or viable way for an advanced culture to behave -- deliberately incurring that much loss, destruction, and waste on an ongoing basis would be devastating to their economy and society in the long term.
And we know from ENT that they haven't always been this way -- just in the past couple of centuries since the warrior caste became dominant and marginalized all other factions of Klingon society. It's an unbalanced state of affairs that's somehow miraculously avoided collapse for two centuries and change -- and probably would've collapsed if the Federation hadn't shored up this corrupt and self-destructive system with its post-Praxis aid to the Empire -- and it's bound to bring the Empire to ruin if it isn't changed. And we've seen that Worf and Martok realize that to some degree, at least to the extent of trying to reform the system and mollify its excesses. But I don't think Klingon civilization can avoid driving itself to ruin if it doesn't shake off the rule of its warrior elite.
And we know from ENT that they haven't always been this way -- just in the past couple of centuries since the warrior caste became dominant and marginalized all other factions of Klingon society. It's an unbalanced state of affairs that's somehow miraculously avoided collapse for two centuries and change -- and probably would've collapsed if the Federation hadn't shored up this corrupt and self-destructive system with its post-Praxis aid to the Empire -- and it's bound to bring the Empire to ruin if it isn't changed. And we've seen that Worf and Martok realize that to some degree, at least to the extent of trying to reform the system and mollify its excesses. But I don't think Klingon civilization can avoid driving itself to ruin if it doesn't shake off the rule of its warrior elite.
maybe that's how come they join the 26th century, the warrior elite gets overthrown (or plain slaughtered by outside forces) and a new peaceful group comes to power...
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