Did David Mack & Pocket Consider the Following About Destiny?

[Dayton3]

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Did David Mack and the people at Pocket take into account that when they allowed the Borg to be eliminated, that one of the results might be an entire range of powerful races in the Delta Quadrant and elsewhere kept in check by the Borg who might quickly try to fill the power vacuum?

I haven't read all of the first post Destiny novel, but it doesn't seem to be examining that.

It's tone is more "enemies of the Federation and Klingons rushing to take advantage of their weakened condition" kind of thing.

 

[David Mack]

Yes, we discussed that and many other possible ramifications of the change in the galactic status quo, but not all of the effects are going to be seen in one novel. There are many lines of Star Trek books that will be dealing with the fallout from the Destiny trilogy.

Give it time....

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

And how does the Federation come to gauge the effects of a power vaccum in the Delta Quadrant, with none of their ships, bases, or even comm relays out there? A Singular Destiny takes place in the Alpha Quadrant - the powers there are too busy recovering and rebuilding at home to think about how things a galaxy away have been affected.

Likewise, I doubt anyone in the Delta Quadrant wanted to spend time in Borg space, or even get too close to what they'd found to be the boundaries of Borg-dominated territory - the threat of assimilation is a pretty serious one. I'd figure it'll be some years before the civilizations there even realize that anything's changed in what was Borg space.

 

[Brendan Moody]

I've suspected pretty much since Full Circle's title was announced that the post-Destiny Delta Quadrant would be part of the story of the new Voyager novels.

 

[Christopher]

I question whether the term "power vacuum" is even meaningful in this context. The Borg were not a political power. They didn't rule over anybody. They weren't at the top of any authority structure. They were a plague that infested much of the galaxy. They were fire ants, spreading across the landscape and doing what's euphemistically called "simplifying the ecosystem." Take them away and you don't have a power vacuum -- just a vacuum. Just a huge honkin' dead zone, a galactic-scale Sahara. There's no niche for any other power to fill -- no former Borg worlds that would be habitable for anyone else, no Borg subject peoples to rule over. Anyone who was fighting the Borg is either toast or badly crippled. Anyone who's still strong or wealthy probably never faced the Borg directly. The end of the Borg doesn't create any opportunities for anyone to seize power -- it just creates opportunities for them to survive.

True, if there's leftover Borg technology lying around -- which I'm not sure there is -- some powers could no doubt use it to their gain. But Borg territory was hundreds of times bigger than the "known space" of the UFP and its neighbors, and the Delta Quadrant as a whole much larger still. Any attempts that any regional powers might severally make to strengthen themselves with Borg assets would have little or no impact on the quadrant as a whole, any more than the Trojan War affected the Earth as a whole.

 

[shanejayell]

Not likely there's left over tech... KRAD's book 'Singular Destiny' establishes that the transformation from Borg to Caeliar seems to have toasted the remaints of the Borg tech.

 

[rfmcdpei]

Not likely there's left over tech... KRAD's book 'Singular Destiny' establishes that the transformation from Borg to Caeliar seems to have toasted the remaints of the Borg tech.

This is very likely a Good Thing. I barely trust the Federation to not radically abuse self-repairing and self-regenerating Borg technology. Barely.

Other powers? Watch me shudder before I flee to the Large Magellanic Cloud.

 

[Man of Steel]

How long will it take to deal with the aftermath of Destiny book wise? I assume that the rest of the year will deal with it while introducing the Typhoon Pact which will take all of next year to deal with. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[PaulSimpson]

How long will it take to deal with the aftermath of Destiny book wise? I assume that the rest of the year will deal with it while introducing the Typhoon Pact which will take all of next year to deal with. Of course, I could be wrong.

Isn't that a little like asking how long it will take the world to deal with the aftermath of the Second World War or 9/11? Destiny's ramifications will affect the future as told in those books - which isn't to say that something equally major may not happen down the line, but there's no going back to the way things were before it happened...

P

 

[Man of Steel]

How long will it take to deal with the aftermath of Destiny book wise? I assume that the rest of the year will deal with it while introducing the Typhoon Pact which will take all of next year to deal with. Of course, I could be wrong.

Isn't that a little like asking how long it will take the world to deal with the aftermath of the Second World War or 9/11? Destiny's ramifications will affect the future as told in those books - which isn't to say that something equally major may not happen down the line, but there's no going back to the way things were before it happened...

P

Maybe I should rephrase it to ask: How long will it take to clean up Mack's mess.

 

[Paris]

How long will it take to deal with the aftermath of Destiny book wise? I assume that the rest of the year will deal with it while introducing the Typhoon Pact which will take all of next year to deal with. Of course, I could be wrong.

Isn't that a little like asking how long it will take the world to deal with the aftermath of the Second World War or 9/11? Destiny's ramifications will affect the future as told in those books - which isn't to say that something equally major may not happen down the line, but there's no going back to the way things were before it happened...

P

Maybe I should rephrase it to ask: How long will it take to clean up Mack's mess.

It seems like the answer to that question is probably NEVER. You can't clean a "mess" like this up. This is something huge that has changed the face of the Alpha/Beta quadrants. Each book down the line may not specifically mention the event that destroyed the Borg, and they don't need to. The Trek-Verse is now different then it was before. The characters we know and love (or hate) will continue on in this changed world.

 

[Christopher]

I assume that the rest of the year will deal with it while introducing the Typhoon Pact which will take all of next year to deal with.

Typhon. T-Y-P-H-O-N. Only one O. Rhymes with "knife on." A typhoon is a small, intense tropical cyclone in the Western Pacific or the China Sea. Typhon was a terrifying, powerful monster from Greek mythology, and the namesake of the Typhon Expanse from TNG's "Cause and Effect." The Pact was signed in the Typhon Expanse, not in the middle of a cyclone in the Western Pacific or the China Sea. Therefore it is the Typhon Pact, not the Typhoon Pact.

Maybe I should rephrase it to ask: How long will it take to clean up Mack's mess.

Why, do you have to be somewhere?

If you're asking how long it will take to rebuild the devastated worlds and ecosystems and restore Starfleet to its former strength, the answer is probably decades in story time. If you're asking how long it will take to return to the familiar status quo, the answer is never. The whole point is that things have been changed forever. Things will eventually settle into a new status quo, but it won't be the same one as before.

 

[Man of Steel]

I assume that the rest of the year will deal with it while introducing the Typhoon Pact which will take all of next year to deal with.

The Pact was signed in the Typhon Expanse, not in the middle of a cyclone in the Western Pacific or the China Sea.
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NO, it wasn't but it would be pretty funny.

Maybe I should rephrase it to ask: How long will it take to clean up Mack's mess.

Why, do you have to be somewhere?
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Actually, yeah, I do. I gotta buy sugar free cookies to send back to NY.

 

[Dayton3]

I was thinking in part about races like the ones who built the Dauntless, that ship that had the quantum slipstream drive in one of the Voyager season finales.

It was stated in the show that race was counting on the war between the Borg and Species 8472 to save them from destruction and that Voyagers intervention doomed their race to assimilation by the Borg.

It occurred to me that there might be a large number of powers on the fringes of Borg space constantly beseiged by the Borg and on the verge of defeat until the Borg are instantly eliminated.

 

[Christopher]

It occurred to me that there might be a large number of powers on the fringes of Borg space constantly beseiged by the Borg and on the verge of defeat until the Borg are instantly eliminated.

Quite likely, but any race on the verge of defeat is not going to be in any position to "fill a power vacuum." They would be vulnerable to conquest or absorption by other neighboring powers, perhaps, but they wouldn't have much left that anyone would want.

 

[LutherSloan]

Prepare for the return of....


....the VAUDWAAR!

 

[BryanSorensen]

I don't think it is fair to say that anyone has to clean up Macks "mess" as it's being called. I didn't think it was a mess at all. Sure the status quo involving everything trek was shaken, but i don't think it was a mess. A mess would imply something that was done horribly or that he did a bad job at the story or something along those lines. I thought it was a fantastic story; which i am currently re-reading. I am quite excited to see what others write in the future based on what he started. No mess, just the next eventual step in the direction of the characters...I mean come on, how many more stories could be told with the things being the way they were? Quite frankly it would have been boring without something to shake things up. Destiny was the ultimate shake up!

 

[Dayton Ward]

The "Mack's Mess" thing is an affectionate term, rather than meant to be derogatory.

Sort of like calling him an evil vicious bastard; it's all meant with love.


(That mutha-effah.)

 

[Ktrek]

I don't think it is fair to say that anyone has to clean up Macks "mess" as it's being called. I didn't think it was a mess at all. Sure the status quo involving everything trek was shaken, but i don't think it was a mess. A mess would imply something that was done horribly or that he did a bad job at the story or something along those lines. I thought it was a fantastic story; which i am currently re-reading. I am quite excited to see what others write in the future based on what he started. No mess, just the next eventual step in the direction of the characters...I mean come on, how many more stories could be told with the things being the way they were? Quite frankly it would have been boring without something to shake things up. Destiny was the ultimate shake up!

And so far I haven't met anyone who has read it that didn't like it. But please understand that when other authors or members refer to the "mess" that Mack left for others to clean up it is not meant to be literal. It's a friendly dig, or jibe, and meant in the most affectionate way.

Kevin

 

[William Leisner]

I don't think it is fair to say that anyone has to clean up Macks "mess" as it's being called. I didn't think it was a mess at all. Sure the status quo involving everything trek was shaken, but i don't think it was a mess.

Spoken like someone who didn't have to write one of the follow-up books...