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The 'engineering hull' on the Kelvin is actually that ship's hangar. There seems to be very little room for anything else in there:
I'd say that the lower 'nacelle' is the warp-core and the engine in one piece.
Trek 11's ship IS the Enterprise
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The 'engineering hull' on the Kelvin is actually that ship's hangar. There seems to be very little room for anything else in there:
I'd say that the lower 'nacelle' is the warp-core and the engine in one piece.
Yes, that's a worthy addition to the existing family of Enterprises 
Spectacular job from start to finish by Tobias and Church.
Isn't it wonderful ?
One more Enterprise to love besides all the great old ones.
Spectacular job from start to finish by Tobias and Church.
Isn't it wonderful ?
One more Enterprise to love besides all the great old ones.
This is the only angle so far that i like fo the new enterprise.
It has a grace and classic look about it that is so similar to the famous stock footage of the enterprise in orbit in TOS.
Im not that fond of the design, but this angle/render makes me think it may pay off...
I'd be convinced though if the lower rear part of the drive section, the part where it tapers up toward the hanger doors, started to curve about 25% farther back. It starts to curver way too early. It may look ok then from this angle. other wise, it looks ok here.
Using this angle throughout the film anyway.
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Not too sure on the registry on the underside of the engineering hull. Might grow on me though.
Just seems odd.
then again, there were no discerning registry markings on the engineering hull in the original show until TMP arrived. So i guess it kinda makes sense.
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Obviously because they weren't hired to work the show.
I'm not discounting the efforts of those who did work this show; I'm just saying that these designers don't take into account various issues in the way that Cobb, Mead and others would have, so it follows that the results would differ. I get the impression that a lot of this movie's final design decisions are more ... arbitrary ... than thought-out. The one thing the new production designer was strong on was putting reflective surfaces into the show, because he said he didn't see that in much of the earlier Trek stuff and he thought this would give visual interest. I mentioned to him that they toyed with having beam-out reflections in TMP on the transporter booth glass, but that presumably this caused problems, since you don't see it in the film. And I'm sure he is well aware of the issues reflections cause in terms of putting stuff up on glass that you don't want to see, but in the end I guess that is the DP's job to deal with (or maybe the post house if the reflection of production crew is visible in some of that glass on the bridge.)
I went back and read some articles with Abrams' tech people on stuff he did for TV awhile back, and it sounds like interpreting his taste is something they were working toward on ALIAS, so if these folks are still working for him years later (the DP and the production designer, not Church and co), it follows that they are probably better at that by now. Certainly the production team on ModernTrek got better at pleasing Berman as time dragged on; practice makes perfect or else go to another show.
Part of this is that Abrams does seem like Lucas in certain ways (and not necessarily the bad ways, more like the practical ones, which can be good or bad depending on how enslaved you become to them): I get the idea that Lucas' deal with spaceship windows on the original trilogy is probably in keeping with Abrams' philosophy. On JEDI, GL said that they'd address the matter of what was in the windows of the ships if the story required it, but otherwise it was just a distraction or a non-issue. Abrams may figure that making the trek designs look new -- or to his eye interesting -- trumps a lot of other issues, and doesn't have any thought to extrapolating from future design or that kind of thing, unless it impacts the story.
Those words are basphemy. The original Enterprise is perfection incarnate in starship form. To say it isn't perfect is like saying the sky isn't blue. There's just no way anyone can prove something so outrageous.
Well. The Batman writers set a precedent for change since the 40’s. They had the ability to alter the look and feel of Batman to instantly reflect the times. And, they never tried to create an actual timeline. Batman had a couple of dozen different looks, and many many Batmobiles. They never tried to explain away these changes because all the target audience wanted were entertaining stories.
Trek fans (ALL of us) want entertaining stories, but a lot of us, want to make sense of the timeline in the Trek universe. If there’s a change, the majority of us want there to be a reason for it. I for one, find the whole (speculative) time line being altered, a valid excuse for a change. That being said, I find it an incredibly stupid reason for altering the Star Trek universe.
This retro 50’s newterprise, could have fit into the universe if it were used more creatively in conjunction as a new class, with a new crew, and new adventures. As for this “new” ship (based on at least 3 existing trek ships), is going to appeal no more to non-fans then a more detailed classic Enterprise would. After-all, what the hell do non-fans know of the original Trek if they weren’t fans to begin with?
I respect your opinion that the new Enterprise's nacelles are look out of place, but -- as I said in a previous post -- I think we all may be guilty of having TOS Enterprise bias.
The only Enterprise we know is the TOS-proportioned ship (even TMP, TWoK and TSfS had the same proportions), so of course we think this ship looks odd when compared to the original. But in reality, these proportions may be just as valid as the TOS ship, only different.
I was amazed at the work he did on the Kelvin and have had one of the images as my desktop for weeks now, I love the design of that ship.
His work on the Enterprise is no less impressive, and there are some beautiful images but the design isn't growing on me all that much even now.
But I do like the desktops of them side by side.
His work on the Enterprise is no less impressive, and there are some beautiful images but the design isn't growing on me all that much even now.
But I do like the desktops of them side by side.
Similar.
I was starting to prefer the Kelvin much more, maybe as it wasnt as 'New' looking as teh Enterprise, it has a rugid, worn in look, and even looks like an old piece of equipment (which is the point, i know.) But, that rear view of the Enterprise is the best i have seen of the new design. Its the only view i like so far, maybe the rest will grow on me the release gets closer to us.
Church is a real good designer. Ship looks great.
Exactly.
"The saucer is flatter than the TOS ship."
"The nacelles are closer together and shaped too differently from the TOS ship."
"The secondary hull is further forward and the undercut below the shuttle is longer than on the TOS ship."
In fact, there's nothing "too close" or out-of-balance about the placement or design of the nacelles, and the placement and attachment of the secondary hull is a big logical improvement over the original ship. The only thing that's maybe less sensible is that the nacelle attachments look even more structurally weak than those of the TOS ship, further emphasizing this as a major flaw in the original that every later design has addressed in one way or another.
The new ship is what it is, and nothing more.
Anything else we say about it is a value judgment made based on our own personal biases, and is not necessarily valid beyond that.
Anything else we say about it is a value judgment made based on our own personal biases, and is not necessarily valid beyond that.
Don't you go all "your mileage may vary" on me, man.
Looking at Richter's images it strikes me that the one angle that works on just about every version of the Enterprise is shooting-up-from-below-and-behind - the "D" looks good this way, the TMP ship looks good this way, the JJprise looks good this way. I think it emphasizes the loft of the nacelles.
I always suspected that Star Trek was a porno at heart.
Well, if that was their intention, they failed miserably.
They could have taken far more definitive design steps to accomplish that goal.
This design only pisses off some of the fans.
Drat!
They missed the broad side of the barn, goddamn it!
If by "some" you really mean the True Fans, then yes I agree. It only takes a true, legitimate Star Trek fan who has never known the touch of tits or pussy to be properly outraged by the insult that is the new Enterprise.
Anyone not offended by this redesign? You're clearly not a Trek fan. Now go bang your girlfriend and leave Trek for those of us who truly care.
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