Trek 11's ship IS the Enterprise

[StarTrek1701]

It certainly does.

 

[Captain X]

He didn't actually tell anyone by name to grow up,

So it's cool to troll someone as long as you don't say their name? You should've modded the ENT forum back when I actually still cared.

so trying to make it into something personal when it really wasn't is pretty weak, X.

So it's cool to troll people as long as they're critics?

Besides, stating once that you think the ship is ugly...

...can qualify as an opinion.

Bringing it around again a page later and presuming to speak for others...

...well, that is beginning to look a little childish,

Or just a response to the general whining people in this forum have towards anyone remotely critical toward any aspect of the movie. "Grow up" "This is 2009, not 1969" "why don't people like this ship?" "BWAHHHHHH!"

particularly when considered along with some of the other things you've had to say in this thread. People who live in glass houses, and all that...

Oh please. "Other things"? My opinion? Oh noz! I don't like the movie!

 

[Tiberius]

Styles change. Architecture from 1966 can be dated -- even if the overall architectural style can be appreciated. I can appreciate the style of that 1966 Enterprise, but that doesn't mean that it fits with a 2009 aesthetic.

If I was wisked away by a time machine from 1966, and all I knew about clothing styles was based on 1966 fashions, of course I would have an aversion to today's fashions. But once I spent some time in 2009 and got to know this era better, I would realize that the fashions of 2009 are just as valid as the fashions of 1966, only different.

Fair enough, but bear in mind that there's a big difference. The fashion from 66 gradually evolved into the fashion of 09. But what we have here is not a ship that will evolve into the E from Classic Trek. It IS the E from classic trek. If you were from 66 and came to 09, you might grow accustomed to the 09 fashion. But never for an instant will you believe that the 09 fashions are the same fashions as the ones from 66. likewise, while the ship is starting to grow on me, I can never and will never see this as the NCC-1701 from the TV show.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

And of course it's not. It's a new version of that ship, just as these actors are playing new versions of the TOS characters. This ship is Kirk's Enterprise, just as that ship was Kirk's Enterprise. It's simply a first version and a second version.

 

[Photoman15]

To those who think the new Enterprise is ugly, two words:
Grow up.

It's 2009, not 1969. You don't like it because you think it has to look like it was designed 40+ years ago. Too bad. This is the Enterprise for the 2009 and forward movie series(, unless it's changed again)

Wise up.

If you think a good designer like Ron Cobb or Mead would have interpretted it in this fashion this year, think the hell again.

Who cares what they would have designed? Maybe it would have been further away from the 60's ship than these designs. Maybe the saucer would look like the Millennium Falcon.

 

[JuanBolio]

I love her. I still prefer the original - always will. But this Enterprise is a lady in her own right.

 

[saddestmoon]

Hey Peeps!

Gotta say, I liked the Trek XI Ent the moment I saw her - beautiful!

Can't wait to acquire the new Playmates Starship when it comes out!

Every inch a thorough-bread

 

[trevanian]

To those who think the new Enterprise is ugly, two words:
Grow up.

It's 2009, not 1969. You don't like it because you think it has to look like it was designed 40+ years ago. Too bad. This is the Enterprise for the 2009 and forward movie series(, unless it's changed again)

Wise up.

If you think a good designer like Ron Cobb or Mead would have interpretted it in this fashion this year, think the hell again.

Who cares what they would have designed? Maybe it would have been further away from the 60's ship than these designs. Maybe the saucer would look like the Millennium Falcon.

I care, because they'd've put some thought into it.

 

[DaveyNY]

Those are some really great CGI Renderings.

I'm not head-over-heels crazy about this version of the Big E, but it's not as 'Fugly' as some claim it is.

The Best and Worst thing I can say at this point is, It's Different.

One thing that I've been curious about though, what are the two "T-Shaped" things on the top of the Primary hull, back between the Bridge and the Impulse Cowling?

Anybody have a clue about those?

Wise up.

If you think a good designer like Ron Cobb or Mead would have interpreted it in this fashion this year, think the hell again.

Who cares what they would have designed? Maybe it would have been further away from the 60's ship than these designs. Maybe the saucer would look like the Millennium Falcon.

I care, because they'd've put some thought into it.

I believe that I've read somewhere that this particular version was Designed by Committee, which pretty much means that just like in the kitchen...
...too many cooks spoil the broth.

I personally would have loved to have seen what Sternbach or Probert would have come up with under similar circumstances with JJ at the helm.

 

[Tiberius]

And of course it's not. It's a new version of that ship, just as these actors are playing new versions of the TOS characters. This ship is Kirk's Enterprise, just as that ship was Kirk's Enterprise. It's simply a first version and a second version.

Yeah, but there's an easy way to explain the difference between the actor sin this film and the actors in Clasic Trek. The characters age. Besides, when you deal with an actor, you aren't able to control the look of the actor completely. But with this, they could. And yet they didn't. This is a hot-rod version of the Connie, not the Connie itself.

While this no doubt fits into the style of the Enterprise, to say that this ship is the same ship as in the original series is like saying that the Sovereign class is really the Galaxy class, despite looking completely different. Would you accept that? Of course not. You can't take a ship that looks so different, slap the same name and registry on it and expect people to accept it with at least justifying it.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Trek 11's ship IS the Enterprise

It's not the Enterprise. It's an Enterprise.

 

[Rii]

While this no doubt fits into the style of the Enterprise, to say that this ship is the same ship as in the original series is like saying that the Sovereign class is really the Galaxy class, despite looking completely different. Would you accept that? Of course not. You can't take a ship that looks so different, slap the same name and registry on it and expect people to accept it with at least justifying it.

I think you'll find that most will accept it, in part because most of the people Paramount are looking to attract to the film aren't burdened by more than a passing acquaintance with established continuity, and many who are don't seem to have, as evidenced by this and other similar threads, any difficulties with it either.

 

[Nardpuncher]

To those who think the new Enterprise is ugly, two words:
Grow up.

It's 2009, not 1969. You don't like it because you think it has to look like it was designed 40+ years ago. Too bad. This is the Enterprise for the 2009 and forward movie series(, unless it's changed again)

Funny thing is that it seems to me like they are trying to make it look like it may have been designed in the 50s.
I like the new Enterprise, and I must say that just because someone doesn't like the new one in this movie it doesn't necessarily mean they living in the past. They may just not like it. Liking it because it was designed this year doesn't make you forward-thinking.

 

[ST-One]

And of course it's not. It's a new version of that ship, just as these actors are playing new versions of the TOS characters. This ship is Kirk's Enterprise, just as that ship was Kirk's Enterprise. It's simply a first version and a second version.

Yeah, but there's an easy way to explain the difference between the actor sin this film and the actors in Clasic Trek. The characters age. Besides, when you deal with an actor, you aren't able to control the look of the actor completely. But with this, they could. And yet they didn't. This is a hot-rod version of the Connie, not the Connie itself.

While this no doubt fits into the style of the Enterprise, to say that this ship is the same ship as in the original series is like saying that the Sovereign class is really the Galaxy class, despite looking completely different. Would you accept that? Of course not. You can't take a ship that looks so different, slap the same name and registry on it and expect people to accept it with at least justifying it.

So the Tumbler really isn't the Batmobile?

 

[ST-One]

Wise up.

If you think a good designer like Ron Cobb or Mead would have interpretted it in this fashion this year, think the hell again.

Who cares what they would have designed? Maybe it would have been further away from the 60's ship than these designs. Maybe the saucer would look like the Millennium Falcon.

I care, because they'd've put some thought into it.

And what tells you that didn't happen with this ship too?

 

[Rii]

So the Tumbler really isn't the Batmobile?

It is, but it's still a fugly abomination. I guess that fits with the rest of 'em.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Not bad, MadKoiFish's Connie is still the best iteration of the Enterprise I've seen.

Short of the original Great Grey Lady, I agree. Adam's version isn't BAD, per se, but not all that good either.

For reference:

 

[Saul]

I love me starship porn as much as the next man but this ship just doesn't do anything for me. The Kelvin though. She's hot. The Nacelles on the Enterprise look really out of place. Still, I expect she'll look better on the big screen.

 

[jgdst]

Like a few other people, I'm not mad keen on the nacelles. Then again, I'm sure every time an Enterprise has been unveiled it's never got 100% thumbs up from the fanbase.

It's not my favourite, but it's not going to single handedly break the film for me.

I do like the Kelvin tho, and that shot with Enterprise and Kelvin side by side is pretty cool

 

[Stardate]

I love me starship porn as much as the next man but this ship just doesn't do anything for me. The Kelvin though. She's hot. The Nacelles on the Enterprise look really out of place. Still, I expect she'll look better on the big screen.

Very interesting opinion. You think Enterprise nacelles are out of place but then you praises the one nacelle Kelvin that seems to be connected oddly to the saucer(by the neck section) and not the engineering hull...where the warp core is located. I dont like Kelvin design.