OMG! First time I show up on the BBS in months and I find this thread! I'm having shipper war flashbacks...
Methadone usually clears that up if you use the right doses.
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Methadone usually clears that up if you use the right doses.
One might also consider saying:You know, I don't know exactly what the "shipper wars" were, nor do I care to find out.
The only thing I can say is this:
"Trip & T'Pol" = Canon
"Archer & T'Pol" = Over active imagination
Please accept my apologies if this posting starts another "shipper war", but it was something I just had to say.
"Archer & T'Pol" = a different perspective
to avoid bending any noses out of shape in the first place.
number6
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Maybe you should tell yourself that a little more often.But really, why so serious? When I, of all people, feel the urge to remind my fellow posters that it's just a show, that should kind of say something in and of itself.
number6
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Yes. Ironic, isn't it.
Hmm, but *a different perspective* and an *over active imagination* are so often one and the same, are they not?
Gotta agree with Middleman on this, while TnT exists in canon, A/T is confined to fan fiction, as is that imaginary A/T/T love triangle that some people continue being paranoid about.
Cripes, CX, number6, don't you have anything better to do?
Now that you've both had your fun for almost a dozen posts, if either of you says another off-topic word here, you're getting a warning for spamming. If either of you tries more of this mocking/baiting/insulting nonsense, it'll be a warning for trolling. It's time to grow up, boys. Comments to PM.
Clearly, both of you have forgotten.
Since you prefaced your statement with a rather condescending sideswipe, thus negating any value it might have had, that kind of says something right there, CX. That'll be enough of that noise.Because willful ignorance is preferable to the truth as long as feelings aren't hurt.
But really, why so serious? When I, of all people, feel the urge to remind my fellow posters that it's just a show, that should kind of say something in and of itself.
Now that you've both had your fun for almost a dozen posts, if either of you says another off-topic word here, you're getting a warning for spamming. If either of you tries more of this mocking/baiting/insulting nonsense, it'll be a warning for trolling. It's time to grow up, boys. Comments to PM.
Sorry for the combined post. I don't know, I think I could also say:
Archer/T'Pol - perhaps over-active imagination, but amazing potential
Trip/T'Pol - over, as per canon thanks to TATV
I think many people who like Archer/T'Pol, I'll speak for myself, liked the potential, not necessarily because they saw on-screen romance. Big difference.
In my assessment, "over-active imagination" is generally used in a negative way, while "different perspective" is a neutral expression, and any negative (or postive) context is in the eye of the beholder.
Would that include other pairings? How about Travis and Hoshi? Malcolm and Hoshi? Malcolm/T'Pol? Archer and Hoshi? I've seen stories about all of them, many of them beautifully written. What about other series? Janeway/Chakotay? I was an ardent J/C shipper for years, and I read many, many stories that were far more satisfying than anything that the show ever gave me. What about Kira/Odo after the last episode of DS9? Am I stuck with the assumption that they never laid eyes on each other again, ever ever, simply because he left her in the finale? What about Jean-Luc and Beverly? The books finally, finally got them together, but does that even count, since it didn't happen onscreen? Have I been robbed again? And how about Bashir/Garak? Or Kirk/Spock? There wouldn't even be fanfiction without K/S.
But back to Enterprise...what about a happily married Trip and T'Pol? Or Trip/T'Pol in a committed relationship? Or Trip/T'Pol in any sort of romantic relationship that lasted more than a few scenes? None of that was ever on Enterprise, but you could build mountains of it with the fanfiction that I've seen.
What I'm saying is, no matter which characters we like, or which couples we could picture together, virtually all of us imagine, and speculate, and fill in blanks, and dream. We don't necessarily imagine the same things, though. We all have our own unique perspectives.
Some people see potential in Archer/T'Pol; others don't. Some people hear T'Pol say in TATV that she and Trip ended their relationship six years ago, and take her at her word; others figure out ways to dismiss it and assume they're still together. Some think TATV was a holodeck program that Barclay screwed up, and Trip and T'Pol lived happily ever after; others figure Trip really did off himself in the finale. It all depends on your interpretation, and everyone's interpretation is valid, if it works for them.
What's your point? A good fanfic writer can even make a Arwen/George Costanza pairing fun to read.
Oooo-kay, Janeway/Chakotay is a big no no in my book (in which a captain who fraternizes with an XO has no business being in command). I should just leave it at that.
To me it does. The books may not be canon, but I take them seriously (especially the "Destiny trilogy" which is simply a spectacular addition to the franchise IMO).
I occasionally enjoy fanfic stories as well, but they need to be canon-friendly for me to get into them.
I think that relaunch novels dealt with that nicely. There's a passage in TGTMD that explains the reason behind that breakup so that it actually makes sense (even though the authors make it obvious that it's not final).
Works in theory, but some people can't resist the need to impose their opinions on others.
And to wrap this up, I'll add that I've heard many terms which are simply ridiculous, but the "shipper war" is seriously whack.
I did not catch Enterprise during its first run on UPN and saw my first episode late in October 2007. After watching the series for a few weeks I purchased the entire series on DVD so I can watch it in order. So, you have to understand that "I'm late to the party". Now I'll admit that when a person watches 4 years worth of material over a 6 month period, one can have a "different perspective" on that same material than someone watching it over 4 years does.
I understand that "semantics is everything" and everyone takes away something different from a fictional series, but I do feel that concluding there was an Archer & T'Pol relationship (other than friendship) is "an over active imagination." I just failed to see how anyone could have concluded there was an Archer & T'Pol relationship (or even the basis for one) anywhere in the series, except for the episode "Twilight", which was an alternate time line episode. I'm willing to admit, however, that I may have an "underactive imagination". Now if someone said the writers should have made it an Archer & T'Pol relationship instead of Trip & T'Pol; that can be debated (and it seems it was very debated).
I participated in a similar discussion on another board, "TrekSpace", a short while back and someone posted this. I think that this is interesting.
In conclusion, my saying someone has an overactive imagination in not necessarily a bad thing. After all, the only reason we have Star Trek is because of some very overactive imaginations.
Nothing wrong with that and I didn't mean to impugn your view of things even if I just can't see it from your POV. As Bakula said (see my above post) it means the fans care.
Middleman, you didn't really offend me. It takes a lot to offend me, which is why I still post here.
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