Smallville#8-14: "Requiem" - Discuss/Grade <SPOILERS>
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Agreed
Okay that episode was incredibly lame and had almost no point to it. I voted for Clark Kent but could have easily gone with another lower ranked vote. Lana should have stayed away, not sure why Kirsten Kreuk came back for five or six episodes to wrap up what was already resolved (her and Clark's relationship) or why they bothered to use a double for Lex. The season was progressing quite nicely without them...both. I would have preferred to have kept it in the dark if Lex was still alive or not and have Tess as the definitive villain in the series. Instead in the span of about three or four episodes they seem to have destroyed everything that they spent building up (I agree with Lax Scrunity in the previous Power thread with his thoughts on the arc). This makes me pissed off in a way. What...we get the metaphor you don't need to shove it down our throats visually that Lana is bad for Clark, that just further goes to ruin Lana's character. Pisses me off the way they write this show at times.
So at the end...was it implied that somehow Lex has transferred his conscience into Ollie with the shot of him looking at his burnt picture and the ring (could ring, the CGI effect was terrible, the real ring awesome though!)? They seemed to have destroyed any possibility of bringing Lex back...and from what Micheal has said in that interview recently maybe that won't be happening at all anyways. They've definitely put their stamp and created an alternate universe. I'm starting to think that maybe we won't see Superman at the end of the show at all. Toyman was alright but almost unnecessary in a way. How can you guys tell that this episode pissed me off? I'm glad that we have a month break so I can take a breather and think ahead now that Lana is dead and we can move beyond this crap again.
So at the end...was it implied that somehow Lex has transferred his conscience into Ollie with the shot of him looking at his burnt picture and the ring (could ring, the CGI effect was terrible, the real ring awesome though!)? They seemed to have destroyed any possibility of bringing Lex back...and from what Micheal has said in that interview recently maybe that won't be happening at all anyways. They've definitely put their stamp and created an alternate universe. I'm starting to think that maybe we won't see Superman at the end of the show at all. Toyman was alright but almost unnecessary in a way. How can you guys tell that this episode pissed me off? I'm glad that we have a month break so I can take a breather and think ahead now that Lana is dead and we can move beyond this crap again.
So maybe Lex put his katra into Oliver? So he gets to continue ruling LuthorCorp as part of Oliver. Pretty good plan if that's in fact what's going on.
As for his replacement being a "bad actor" ... are you kidding me? The voice was looped and we saw the guy's eye. And you're saying the ACTOR was bad?
Sheesh.
--Ted
As for his replacement being a "bad actor" ... are you kidding me? The voice was looped and we saw the guy's eye. And you're saying the ACTOR was bad?
Sheesh.
--Ted
Well, the guy sounded like they found some bald dude off the street have him come in and read the lines of a page in one take. There was no acting.
I have to agree. Throughout the episode they said that the suit Lana stole was Lex's last ditch attempt at survival, but - in reality - Lex Luthor has a Plan A and a Plan B for all situations. I think that the memory transfer into Ollie may be a little bit out there, but we have seen stuff like this before on Smallville (Lionel into Clark in Season 4 for example).
I haven't checked the cast credits, but it's possible someone else could've done the voice for bald dude. Which means there are two bad performances instead of just one.
But, if that was part of Lex's plan, then Lex got lucky - that bomb at the LuthorCorp could have killed Oliver, and it was planted by someone working for Lex.
Bizarro. Toyman kept reminding me of that guy on Supernatural the other year that held up the bank looking for mandroids. Clark's too self-righteous...and naive. Oliver's too vigilante. Chloe is once again torn between two people's trusts. The Clana rollercoaster angst fest is getting SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OLD!! An interesting season being totally disrupted by this revisited mess. Watching Clark and Lana painfully kiss one last time at the end had all the drama of watching a dog dying its death throes after being hit by a truck on the highway. This show really needs to be put down at the end of this year.
That's because that is the guy that was in that Supernatural episode. He's also on Eureka.
Well we all know Lex aint dead. The ending was sad and one of the better endings in a long time.
I always hated that "dont kill" rule. I understand asuperhero has to be "above that", but in the end they are the ones responsible for the murders their foes commit.
If batman had killed Joker when they first met then think of all the lives that would have been saved.
Same goes for Superman. If Clark had ripped Lex to shreds before he married Lana then think of all the lives that would have been saved and perhaps he and Lana coudl finally be happy together.
Sometimes you gotta kill to do good.
I always hated that "dont kill" rule. I understand asuperhero has to be "above that", but in the end they are the ones responsible for the murders their foes commit.
If batman had killed Joker when they first met then think of all the lives that would have been saved.
Same goes for Superman. If Clark had ripped Lex to shreds before he married Lana then think of all the lives that would have been saved and perhaps he and Lana coudl finally be happy together.
Sometimes you gotta kill to do good.
You are just now starting to think this?
I didn't take anything from the last scene that it was Lex taking over Oliver.
I took it that Ollie killed Lex, so he was looking at the portrait. He knew he and Clark were at odds and going in different directions and that Clark would confront him sooner or later. So he had himself a krypto-ring made.
I saw this as being the natural progression of them using Green Arrow as a substitute for Batman. Batman always has a bit of kryptonite ready, and there was little incident between Bruce and Clark at the end of Dark Knight Returns
I took it that Ollie killed Lex, so he was looking at the portrait. He knew he and Clark were at odds and going in different directions and that Clark would confront him sooner or later. So he had himself a krypto-ring made.
I saw this as being the natural progression of them using Green Arrow as a substitute for Batman. Batman always has a bit of kryptonite ready, and there was little incident between Bruce and Clark at the end of Dark Knight Returns
That wasn't Lex that died. That was Lex Clone No. 1. You see, he's in worse shape than we realize, so with the help of some cyborg zombie ninja lesbians from the future, they've cloned him (including his memories), and while the real Lex is in stasis, they're bringing the clone Lexes out at various stages so that 1) he can do his evil biddings, and 2) they can see how far along they are to repairing him.
The clone thing makes perfect sense actually. We saw Lex's brother cloned with fake memories implanted, so a fully functioning Lex clone is already built in as a possibility.
Well, I like that idea a hell of a lot better than the idea that Ollie's walking around with his katra.
It's really too bad if Rosenbaum doesn't return to give closure to the character that's so identified with him, but I can understand his reticence.
Rosenbaum said he just didn't want to shave his head anymore. If they bring him back as a clone he could have tons of hair. As someone else mentioned, even red hair and a beard. A clone could very well open the door to Rosenbaum doing a couple of guest appearances.
Seriously...I don't get where people are thinking that somehow Lex is inside Ollie. Really, I don't. There is nothing in the episode to suggest such a thing. The only thing that remotely qualifies is the Kryptonite ring that Ollie was looking at. Personally, I took that as Ollie was considering keeping it to keep Clark at bay, if needed, since their ideologies are splitting and Ollie know Clark would try to stop him on something in the future.
And, for sake of arguement, Lex is inside Ollie...when/how did this transfer take place? There is nothing in the epsiode to suggest that something like that happened to Ollie.
And, for sake of arguement, Lex is inside Ollie...when/how did this transfer take place? There is nothing in the epsiode to suggest that something like that happened to Ollie.
Oliver is acting like Lex, ala killing Lex which is how Lex would behave