Holy sh*t!! Red Dwarf is back!!!!

[Kryton]

Or if they do it will all be done in a huge, wacky, way-too-fast-to-read-without-pausing text on the screen as they've done before when they didn't care to explain stuff like that.

 

[ITL]

I always admired the attitude of - "Screw continuity, we're going for the funny!". A good example is Lister and Kochanski - they went from not having a relationship (with only 173 words shared between them) to having a short-lived one because it was thought to be better for the show.

And the new Dwarf stuff? Can't wait. Now that we have the first promo image it seems real. I can feel a SQUEE a-buildin'.

 

[Thor Damar]

About smegging time!

I assume that the cliffhanger at the end of series 8 will not be resolved then?.

 

[Holdfast]

I always admired the attitude of - "Screw continuity, we're going for the funny!".

Yeah, that never bothered me much - it's a comedy, not sci-fi.

What does concern me a bit is the lack of the Grant-Naylor partnership. After they stopped working together, I felt that the funny never quite returned to Dwarf in full force.

 

[ITL]

^ Yeah, that's true. For me, season 5 was the pinnacle - great comedy, production design, stories and acting. Plus, it had the (for me) essential situation of a handful of guys on a big, empty ship.

 

[Holdfast]

^ Yeah, that's true. For me, season 5 was the pinnacle - great comedy, production design, stories and acting. Plus, it had the (for me) essential situation of a handful of guys on a big, empty ship.

Yeah, I'd go along with all of this. S5 has some truly brilliant episodes eg. Inquisitor, Quarantine, Demons & Angels and Back to Reality. Quarantine is probably my favourite of the entire run.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

^Not to mention "Holoship"-- worth it just for the brief exchange between Lister & Don Worthington. "Lister to Red Dwarf. Have encountered in our midst a complete smegpot. Brains in the anal region. Chin absent, presumed missing. Genetalia small & inoffensive. Of no further value or interest."

Although I think hitting the reset button on Rimmer was one of the few things they did right in the series you can't remember. He was becoming much too nice by the end of VI and his appearances in VII.

I wouldn't say that he was too nice in Series VI. I mean, look at the beginning of "Out of Time," where his "morale booster" is nothing more than a flimsy excuse to allow him to rant about how much he hates Lister.

But I do agree that they did the right thing by "resetting" Rimmer in Series VIII. It allowed a more recognizable characterization of Rimmer while not taking anything away from his character growth in "Stoke Me a Clipper."

Or if they do it will all be done in a huge, wacky, way-too-fast-to-read-without-pausing text on the screen as they've done before when they didn't care to explain stuff like that.

I'd like to see that.

 

[Saul]

Maybe, except Ace Rimmer is a bit too nice, that's why they turned the mature Rimmer into Ace and replaced him with the old one.

Yes, I wasn't talking about our real ace Rimmer. I meant our Hologram Rimmer that became Ace Rimmer, he's still out there and it's a possible way for the character to return if his living self bought it on the ship at the end of series 8.

 

[Pingfah]

I wouldn't say that he was too nice in Series VI. I mean, look at the beginning of "Out of Time," where his "morale booster" is nothing more than a flimsy excuse to allow him to rant about how much he hates Lister.

You're right, but the character had become very inconsistent. They couldn't make their minds up if Rimmer was a superficially unpleasant person who had much deeper feelings for his crewmates than he let on, or if he was a superficially decent person who deep down was a cowardly miserable git.

They seemed to be leaning towards the former more than the latter though.

Yes, I wasn't talking about our real ace Rimmer. I meant our Hologram Rimmer that became Ace Rimmer, he's still out there and it's a possible way for the character to return if his living self bought it on the ship at the end of series 8.

Yeah I know what you mean, I just think that even the hologram Rimmer had grown too much as a character to effectively go back to being the snivelling Rimmer, especially after choosing to become Ace and doing the job for a few years.

 

[Pingfah]

I take it everybody has seen this?

It's apparently from the Corrie set.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I take it everybody has seen this?

It's apparently from the Corrie set.

I love it.

 

[Jim Steele]

I'm really not excited about this corrie crossover stuff. I hope it's just a comic relief thing and not actually part of the new episodes.

 

[Pingfah]

I'm really not excited about this corrie crossover stuff. I hope it's just a comic relief thing and not actually part of the new episodes.

This is from Robert Llewellyns Twitter:

But it's not about Lister on Corrie, it's so not that.

I think that they are going to treat Corrie as real life instead of a TV show, and the cast will return to earth to find Lister and discover that he has somehow forgotten his Dwarf life and become a Cabbie. Or maybe just given up hope of ever being reunited with them and become a Cabbie.

That's just a gut feeling.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I wouldn't say that he was too nice in Series VI. I mean, look at the beginning of "Out of Time," where his "morale booster" is nothing more than a flimsy excuse to allow him to rant about how much he hates Lister.

You're right, but the character had become very inconsistent. They couldn't make their minds up if Rimmer was a superficially unpleasant person who had much deeper feelings for his crewmates than he let on, or if he was a superficially decent person who deep down was a cowardly miserable git.

Frankly, I think that's probably because he was, to some extent, both. I think that he's (1) a fundamentally decent person (2) wrapped inside a layer of self loathing that causes him to resent everyone else (3) wrapped inside a thin veneer of civility (4) wrapped inside a tendency to be an egomaniacal git because of a warped perception that that's what it takes to be successful.

 

[Pingfah]

Frankly, I think that's probably because he was, to some extent, both. I think that he's (1) a fundamentally decent person (2) wrapped inside a layer of self loathing that causes him to resent everyone else (3) wrapped inside a thin veneer of civility (4) wrapped inside a tendency to be an egomaniacal git because of a warped perception that that's what it takes to be successful.

Heh, nice analysis, I think I can mostly agree with that. ALthough there were still a few moments that are irreconcilable with Rimmer being any sort of a nice guy. There were several instances across S5 & 6 where Rimmer's quite deliberate actions (had he succeeded) would have resulted in the deaths of all the other crew members.

I recall these moments always irked me.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Frankly, I think that's probably because he was, to some extent, both. I think that he's (1) a fundamentally decent person (2) wrapped inside a layer of self loathing that causes him to resent everyone else (3) wrapped inside a thin veneer of civility (4) wrapped inside a tendency to be an egomaniacal git because of a warped perception that that's what it takes to be successful.

Heh, nice analysis, I think I can mostly agree with that. ALthough there were still a few moments that are irreconcilable with Rimmer being any sort of a nice guy. There were several instances across S5 & 6 where Rimmer's quite deliberate actions (had he succeeded) would have resulted in the deaths of all the other crew members.

I recall these moments always irked me.

Like Rimmer World when he escaped the Simulant ship... One of his finer moments... Boldly leaping in to the escape pod so they could do whatever they did to escape.

 

[Pingfah]

That was the specific instance I was thinking of. I thought there was another, but I can't remember it offhand.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

That was the specific instance I was thinking of. I thought there was another, but I can't remember it offhand.

I thought there was another one too, but couldn't think of it.
Maybe I was thinking of the daring daylight charge across the minefield he had for the waxdroids though, which isn't exactly gonna kill the crew, but wasn't a very nice side of his character.

 

[Pingfah]

Well there was the time Rimmer ignored Lister when Lanstrom was trying to kill them all, as far as he knew they were in genuine danger of being killed and he's pretending he can't hear Lister.

Also when he refused to hand himself over to The Unspeakable One is Terrorform, despitre the fact that he would have died in any case.

Neither fit the bill perfectly, but I always thought the first one certainly was out of character. The second one is more attributable to his extreme cowardice, but the first one was unnecessarily vindictive and risky even for Rimmer.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Well there was the time Rimmer ignored Lister when Lanstrom was trying to kill them all, as far as he knew they were in genuine danger of being killed and he's pretending he can't hear Lister.

Also when he refused to hand himself over to The Unspeakable One is Terrorform, despitre the fact that he would have died in any case.

Neither fit the bill perfectly, but I always thought the first one certainly was out of character. The second one is more attributable to his extreme cowardice, but the first one was unnecessarily vindictive and risky even for Rimmer.

I thought the first one was perfectly in character for Rimmer, I mean he had, in his eyes, just been rejected for "Captain Bog Bot" and then rejected again for the possibility to bring another hologram onboard, so I could believe that level of vindictiveness coming from him given the circumstances.
And running and hiding from danger is his default position, so in the case of Terrorform I find that very believable for him.
Out of character is the "better dead than smeg" moment from the end of series 6.