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Let's Settle this once and for all Intrepid Vs Galaxy

Which ship wins?

  • Galaxy Class

    Votes: 64 88.9%
  • Intrepid Class

    Votes: 8 11.1%

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Well, if we take on-screen evidence into consideration, nothing of the modular configuration you propose was suggested (at least not to my knowledge).

Generations shows the most famous example of the Galaxy's level of customization. Stellar Cartography was a room that was the height of about three decks, but there's no way you could install that room without a somewhat major overhaul. That is, unless you have some sort of module configuration to simply take out and replace sections of the ship as needed.

As well, in "Liasions," the dialogue specifically states that Deck 8 was empty in case the ship would need extra space to be configured accordingly for any mission. As far as we know, there could be other decks on the Enterprise-D that were similarly designated, and it wouldn't be far-fetched to believe that future Galaxy-classes were refitted for the Dominion War. Say, a room as large as the 3-deck tall Stellar Cartography housing a large power core for phasers or shields, for instance.

Depending on what evidence you want to use as well (since you cited burst-fire launchers, a term that wasn't used in the show but was used in various books), the TNG Tech Manual says the Enterprise-D was launched with 35% of its interiors as customizable space so that the ship could be adapted with modules for almost any mission imaginable.

Also, even if the Galaxy is capable of that, why wouldn't the Intrepid as well or any of the newer classes that came after it?
It's only logical you would want to improve upgrade capability on newer classes of ships.
There's also the Nebula. Ships of the class can be equipped with special pods depending on the purpose of the vessel, ie the big sensor pod or the big weapons pod or whatever other pods are out there. We've never seen this design element used in most other ships after it save for the itty bitty Danube, and yet the Nebula is one of the most often-seen classes in all of Trek, so something about that class *must* be working right.

Same with the Intrepid. Bioneural gel packs are a milestone in computer technology. They've been pretty dependable for Voyager and there've been no complaints about the technology mentioned in DS9. Yet we've no evidence that ships like the Sovereign and the Prometheus use that particular system.

Again, I'm not saying the Intrepid doesn't have a module configuration, it's just that it wasn't mentioned on Voyager, whereas the Galaxy was. Just because it's on one class doesn't necessarily mean it's on the other, and even outright we've seen the Intrepid perform missions differently than the Galaxy. Different ships have different purposes.
 
Generations shows the most famous example of the Galaxy's level of customization. Stellar Cartography was a room that was the height of about three decks, but there's no way you could install that room without a somewhat major overhaul. That is, unless you have some sort of module configuration to simply take out and replace sections of the ship as needed.

On the other hand, stellar cartography can easily be explained as part of the Enterprise-D from the moment it was launched.
I do recall Geordi complaining at one time or another about shunting power from and to various parts of the ship (SC was included because it had to be shut down). The only reason it was never probably seen during TNG run were budgetary constraints (but it was mentioned).

Don't forget that the crew of Voyager constructed the Astrometrics lab in their own little ship.
A piece of equipment far more sophisticated compared to stellar cartography, and it only had a really large view-screen while occupying much less space.
While I do find SC better in terms of being literally surrounded by stars as a pretty good place to work in, the Astrometrics lab can operate with several individuals in it on same or various aspects.

As well, in "Liasions," the dialogue specifically states that Deck 8 was empty in case the ship would need extra space to be configured accordingly for any mission. As far as we know, there could be other decks on the Enterprise-D that were similarly designated, and it wouldn't be far-fetched to believe that future Galaxy-classes were refitted for the Dominion War. Say, a room as large as the 3-deck tall Stellar Cartography housing a large power core for phasers or shields, for instance.
Agreed, although, deck-8 of the Enterprise-D also contains the battle-bridge and officers quarters.
As for during/post Dominion War that the Galaxy classes were refitted with extra power cores for phasers and shiels - that was mostly fan idle speculation lacking in evidence.
If anything, the off-screen comments and interviews by those who worked on DS9 said that most of the Galaxies in battle were unfinished ones ([featuring only necessary crew quarters, functioning weapons/computers/engines] a far-fetched statement in my personal perception because I find it idiotic that it would take years for SF to build those ships in the first place for a technologically advanced organization as the Federation [too many real-world references are used to connect Trek and our time when in fact it's bound to fail once we take into consideration the fact that we are centuries apart in not just technology - the Federation gaining technological superiority in just 300 years compared to it's neighbors that were in space for centuries prior to them - but also perceptions]).
Besides, all ship systems (incl. weapons) have the warp core for main source of energy. If you will upgrade anything, then focus on the main source of energy to boost shield integrity and increase the phaser output, not to mention upgrading the EPS grid (that's how it was done on-screen to my recollection and not through the use of extra power cores).
The Galaxy classes likely underwent a smaller re-fit just before the war to incorporate modified anti-Borg tech the Defiant used so they can damage Dominion ships properly and their shields to actually keep Dominion weapons at bay just like with other weapons.
Post-war ... there is a possibility they could be brought on par with the Sovereign class.
But so can smaller ships such as the Intrepid.
The Prometheus was extremely powerful and likely had similar specs like the Sovereign class (regenerative shields, ablative hull armor, MVAM - and was able to roast both SF and Romulan ships with a few hits) and the Intrepid is similar in size.

Depending on what evidence you want to use as well (since you cited burst-fire launchers, a term that wasn't used in the show but was used in various books), the TNG Tech Manual says the Enterprise-D was launched with 35% of its interiors as customizable space so that the ship could be adapted with modules for almost any mission imaginable.
Books (as good as they are) are not part of canon.
'Personal canon' is not really taken into consideration since I'm trying to remain with what was established on screen and go from there.
However, to draw a comparison, Voyager easily used this same ability with their torpedo launchers in the novels as well.

There's also the Nebula. Ships of the class can be equipped with special pods depending on the purpose of the vessel, ie the big sensor pod or the big weapons pod or whatever other pods are out there. We've never seen this design element used in most other ships after it save for the itty bitty Danube, and yet the Nebula is one of the most often-seen classes in all of Trek, so something about that class *must* be working right.

Same with the Intrepid. Bioneural gel packs are a milestone in computer technology. They've been pretty dependable for Voyager and there've been no complaints about the technology mentioned in DS9. Yet we've no evidence that ships like the Sovereign and the Prometheus use that particular system.

Again, I'm not saying the Intrepid doesn't have a module configuration, it's just that it wasn't mentioned on Voyager, whereas the Galaxy was. Just because it's on one class doesn't necessarily mean it's on the other, and even outright we've seen the Intrepid perform missions differently than the Galaxy. Different ships have different purposes.
Nebula class ship has a specific pod that was obviously intended on being changed if the situation required it.
Although, I would also speculate that most Nebula's retain their pods as they got them at the first day of launch, unless of course a major conflict ensues and more combat oriented ships are needed.
In which case a 'combat pod' would be more useful since it could hold large amount of torpedoes (although I must admit that putting them in such 1 place and a nicely nested hit could end in a VERY undesirable result :D ).

As for the gel-packs...
Well, I see no reason why other Federation ships would not be using them in the post war era (when it was much easier to conduct larger upgrades without rushing things too much).
The computer systems on older ships would have to be modified of course to accept them.
Most of the Jeffries tubes and other areas on other Federation ships have similar/same computer access ports that could be modified to accept the gel-packs.

But it becomes more agile and faster, I bet it could even keep up with an Intrepid after getting rid of that saucer

More agile might very likely be the case when the Galaxy is separated
(a procedure primarily utilized in emergency situations anyway ... otherwise, why would SF send fully connected Galaxy class ships into battle?), but 'faster' is highly questionable since all SF ships appear to be equally fast under impulse.
 
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Yes but the beauty of the Intrepid class ships would awe those of the Galaxy class into forgetting to press the phaser buttons in time.

I know for a fact that Worf would find the Intrepid class an eyesore and fire without even having being given an order to.

Ummm.are we talking about the Worf from season 5? or pimple faced Worf from Insurrection..there is a difference you know...

Rob
 
Generations shows the most famous example of the Galaxy's level of customization. Stellar Cartography was a room that was the height of about three decks, but there's no way you could install that room without a somewhat major overhaul. That is, unless you have some sort of module configuration to simply take out and replace sections of the ship as needed.

On the other hand, stellar cartography can easily be explained as part of the Enterprise-D from the moment it was launched.
I do recall Geordi complaining at one time or another about shunting power from and to various parts of the ship (SC was included because it had to be shut down). The only reason it was never probably seen during TNG run were budgetary constraints (but it was mentioned).

I'll get to the rest of your post in a second, but no, that specific version of Stellar Cartography was NOT part of the the Enterprise from when it was launched; we did see Stellar Cartography in TNG, and it was a room much like the one that held Locutus at the end of Best of Both Worlds, ie small and hardly impressive.

The room in 2370:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Stellar_cartography.jpg

The room a year later:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Picard_and_Data_in_stellar_cartography.jpg

That's one heck of an overhaul.

I'm also not comparing stellar cartography to astrometrics in terms of ability, I'm talking about size and how that's an example of pre-planned customization on the Galaxy. Not everything is a competition, boyo.
 
Post-war ... there is a possibility they could be brought on par with the Sovereign class.
But so can smaller ships such as the Intrepid.
The Prometheus was extremely powerful and likely had similar specs like the Sovereign class (regenerative shields, ablative hull armor, MVAM - and was able to roast both SF and Romulan ships with a few hits) and the Intrepid is similar in size.

You're not suggesting the Intrepid could be as powerful as the Sovereign, are you? I don't think anyone is clear on whether or not the Prometheus is, either.

Books (as good as they are) are not part of canon.
'Personal canon' is not really taken into consideration since I'm trying to remain with what was established on screen and go from there.
However, to draw a comparison, Voyager easily used this same ability with their torpedo launchers in the novels as well.

They're not canon, but you're using terms straight from the books (which "burst-fire" is), so I'm not sure what you're using to back up your arguments. I'm just trying to approach you from your level of reference.

Nebula class ship has a specific pod that was obviously intended on being changed if the situation required it.
Although, I would also speculate that most Nebula's retain their pods as they got them at the first day of launch, unless of course a major conflict ensues and more combat oriented ships are needed.
In which case a 'combat pod' would be more useful since it could hold large amount of torpedoes (although I must admit that putting them in such 1 place and a nicely nested hit could end in a VERY undesirable result :D ).

I dunno, I'd say Nebulas mostly retain their pods for much of their lives, like Miranda-class modifications. *shrug*

As for the gel-packs...
Well, I see no reason why other Federation ships would not be using them in the post war era (when it was much easier to conduct larger upgrades without rushing things too much).
The computer systems on older ships would have to be modified of course to accept them.
Most of the Jeffries tubes and other areas on other Federation ships have similar/same computer access ports that could be modified to accept the gel-packs.

Is that your "personal canon," though? All the repairs we saw in the TNG movies (esp. since the Enterprise-E suffered serious damage in all three of its movies), not one gel-pack was shown. I'd have to rewatch Message in a Bottle, but I doubt seeing them on the Prometheus as well.
 
I'll get to the rest of your post in a second, but no, that specific version of Stellar Cartography was NOT part of the the Enterprise from when it was launched; we did see Stellar Cartography in TNG, and it was a room much like the one that held Locutus at the end of Best of Both Worlds, ie small and hardly impressive.

The room in 2370:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Stellar_cartography.jpg

The room a year later:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Picard_and_Data_in_stellar_cartography.jpg

That's one heck of an overhaul.

I'm also not comparing stellar cartography to astrometrics in terms of ability, I'm talking about size and how that's an example of pre-planned customization on the Galaxy. Not everything is a competition, boyo.

I was not indicating on a competition.
Besides, Voyager also had a stellar cartography. Janeway mentioned it herself.
My point was that just as the Galaxy had a revamped SC, Voyager's crew also did internal modifications to create the Astrometrics for example.
Possibly using a previous SC room and shrinking it down if it was similar size of the one on Enterprise-D.
Voyager was able to get more for less, which can also prove it's an equal match for a Galaxy class.

Other people argue that the Defiant would rule over both Intrepid and Galaxy.
If size is THAT important in Trek and to SF, then the Defiant should have been squashed by the upgraded Lakota.
The Defiant was referenced on-screen to have no creature comforts or luxuries.
The Intrepid being larger can retain some creature comforts due to it's size, but hardly has any luxuries compared to the Galaxy class, therefore allowing it to contain same offensive/defensive systems that would make it a match for the Galaxy class.
Obviously, each class will have a specifically designed Warp core/systems for it, and appropriate upgrades would be implemented in order to retain the 'downsized Galaxy' or 'downsized warship (as far as Defiant goes) in the long run.
 
I'll get to the rest of your post in a second, but no, that specific version of Stellar Cartography was NOT part of the the Enterprise from when it was launched; we did see Stellar Cartography in TNG, and it was a room much like the one that held Locutus at the end of Best of Both Worlds, ie small and hardly impressive.

The room in 2370:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Stellar_cartography.jpg

The room a year later:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Picard_and_Data_in_stellar_cartography.jpg

That's one heck of an overhaul.

I'm also not comparing stellar cartography to astrometrics in terms of ability, I'm talking about size and how that's an example of pre-planned customization on the Galaxy. Not everything is a competition, boyo.

I was not indicating on a competition.
Besides, Voyager also had a stellar cartography. Janeway mentioned it herself.
My point was that just as the Galaxy had a revamped SC, Voyager's crew also did internal modifications to create the Astrometrics for example.
Possibly using a previous SC room and shrinking it down if it was similar size of the one on Enterprise-D.
Voyager was able to get more for less, which can also prove it's an equal match for a Galaxy class.

But is that proof of a modular system? The Hirogen were able to expand the Holodeck to three decks, but they could've simply drilled the floors out, for example. Additionally, Astrometrics did have the advantage of some Borg modifications, with its chief operator being a former drone.

All things considered, would a Starfleet crew without that knowledge and without Seven be able to make those modifications on an Intrepid? I'm not sure, but therein lies the question of the modular system.

Other people argue that the Defiant would rule over both Intrepid and Galaxy.
If size is THAT important in Trek and to SF, then the Defiant should have been squashed by the upgraded Lakota.
The Defiant was referenced on-screen to have no creature comforts or luxuries.
The Intrepid being larger can retain some creature comforts due to it's size, but hardly has any luxuries compared to the Galaxy class, therefore allowing it to contain same offensive/defensive systems that would make it a match for the Galaxy class.
Obviously, each class will have a specifically designed Warp core/systems for it, and appropriate upgrades would be implemented in order to retain the 'downsized Galaxy' or 'downsized warship (as far as Defiant goes) in the long run.

Er, I think you want this in the other thread...
 
I think the Galaxy-Class would probably will, although if someone like Picard was commanding the Intrepid-Class ship, then the outcome would be different. The Intrepid-Class is a very durable - not to mention tough - little ship, but the Galaxy-Class would have more phaser banks and photon launchers. Its only problem would be maneuverability - the Intrepid-Class is a light cruiser so it's more versatile in combat than the Galaxy. Galaxy still most likely wins though. All in all, it's just a more powerful ship.
 
God how i hate this kind of threads...people vote for favorite ships without considering the specs and tech ratio and on screen evidence. hell people voted like idiots on another thread that a Defiant would lose vs a Galaxy LoL while we clearly saw how much more powerful the defiant is on screen(tactically wise). this kind of threads is utterly useless.
 
God how i hate this kind of threads...people vote for favorite ships without considering the specs and tech ratio and on screen evidence. hell people voted like idiots on another thread that a Defiant would lose vs a Galaxy LoL while we clearly saw how much more powerful the defiant is on screen(tactically wise). this kind of threads is utterly useless.

Actually, we don't know just how powerful the Defiant is.
On-screen evidence says it's 'overpowered for it's size' - but that doesn't mean it's more powerful than the Intrepid or a Galaxy class... merely that a ship of that size packs a lot more power than what SF previously came up with - in essence, it's power output weapons-wise could be the same like the Intrepid and Galaxy class.

Furthermore, the ship in question was designed to 'fight and defeat the Borg' - in which it didn't really excel to be honest if FC is to be taken into account, BUT, the technology on board that was modified specifically to fight the Borg probably allowed it to be effective against Dominion ships in the first place (which it was) whereas the Oddysey failed and was destroyed (in probably lacking the anti-Borg modifications).

Voyager being designed in the same time frame as the Defiant would likely sport same anti-Borg weapons from the get go, allowing it's weapons to have the same effect on Dominion ships.

If the Intrepid was designed to be a downsized Galaxy class (which in all likelihood it was), then I don't see a problem as to why it wouldn't be able to 'keep up' with Galaxy class upgrades as time goes on.
The Intrepids would continue to receive those upgrades at same intervals, so I don't see a problem.

As for Intrepids being equally powerful as a Sovereign class... I don't think I said that directly.
On-screen wise, we know next to nothing about Sovereign class ship capabilities in regards to shields or weapons, whereas for the Prometheus, we do know a lot more.
My point was that if the Intrepids were designed to be 'downsized Galaxy class' ships, then it's possible that the Prometheus was designed to be a 'downsized Sovereign class'.
Basically, same power rating in a smaller package which has by several times lower crew count, stripped down facilities for creature comforts (brought down to a minimum) so that their tactical rating could be on par with larger ships (the idea originating from the Defiant itself - or it wasn't until that point in time that SF was able to achieve such feats from a technological POV).
 
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God how i hate this kind of threads...people vote for favorite ships without considering the specs and tech ratio and on screen evidence. hell people voted like idiots on another thread that a Defiant would lose vs a Galaxy LoL while we clearly saw how much more powerful the defiant is on screen(tactically wise). this kind of threads is utterly useless.

You hated it somuch, you resurrected it three years later?:vulcan:

And, if Trek's shown us anything, it's that the fights are won by the ingenuity of the ships' commanders, not by comparing technical stats.
 
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