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Floaters, Tinnitus, and other sensory phenomena

Hmm... I didn't know what floaters were until I saw this forum. I've got them - I just assumed everyone did.

They do, DON'T THEY? SOMEONE TELL ME! I'M COVERED IN SHATNER'S BASSOON! :scream:
 
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I don't know what it is but in the dark with my eyes closed I sometimes see alternating rings of indigo and green converge in the center of my vision . . .

I recently read a news story about a man who is legally blind, he can't consciously see his environment, but he can still instinctively recognize faces and colors, and he even successfully navigated an obstacle course without direction. He apparently suffered damage to the part of his brain that allows him to consciously interpret what he sees, his eyes work perfectly, but his brain can't process what he sees, yet he can still recognize faces . . . I thought it was really interesting
 
Enough floaters that it's hard to use a microscope. Mostly I look past them. I suppose that everyone except the very young has them but most people just overlook them. Literally.

If tinnitus is permanent ringing in the ears, then, no. The bouts I do have are loud enough to make it hard to hear anything else. I wonder what the norm is for the volume?

As far as odd sensory phenomena go, seemingly causeless twinges in random parts of the skin are apparently universal if unremarked. They seem to be a random discharge of nerves. It's as though the nerves have a quota of impulses to send. If there's no real data to report, then they occasionally wake up and send a pain signal anyhow. But maybe it's related to the mechanism for phantom limb pain?
 
I've had those floaters since I was very young, normally only see them when I'm outside looking upward, I don't have that many but they amused me when I was younger. Also in one eye everything is a tiny bit "blue-er" whereas the other eye is "red-er". They share green equally though.

I have minor tinnitus and adds to my insomnia. But it disorients me during the day.

I used to have an auditory hallucinogenic disorder that caused realistic and terrifying sounds that I believed to be in the room with me, it stopped around the time I turned 10.

I have poor balance and high body temperature so I can, when its warm and I move too quickly at any moment, simply keel over and be out for 30-60 seconds at a time. The worst part is my eyesight and hearing fail about 5 seconds before I actually pass out. They come back slowly and I've luckily over even fallen where I won't hurt myself.


My senses are annoyingly off balance so I've never given any thought to learning to drive LOL.
 
I recently read a news story about a man who is legally blind, he can't consciously see his environment, but he can still instinctively recognize faces and colors, and he even successfully navigated an obstacle course without direction. He apparently suffered damage to the part of his brain that allows him to consciously interpret what he sees, his eyes work perfectly, but his brain can't process what he sees, yet he can still recognize faces . . . I thought it was really interesting

Yeah, legal blindness is a funny term. There's actually two main components: Visual acuity (how much detail you can make out, ie 20/20), and visual field. So, you can actually see 20/20 and still be considered legally blind as long as your visual field is constricted to a significant degree.
 
I have pretty bad floaters but I don't even notice them unless I think about it. It's especially noticeable if I'm starting at a white wall.
 
Tinnitus, right ear. From playing amplified music. Electric organ. It wasn't even that loud, just using some small speakers. But the inverse square law I believe applies to sound as well as light - proximity did it - fortunately the ringing is only really noticeable going to sleep, it's quieter than a CPU for instance. But, it's always there.

Ya man, sound is it's own weird phenomena. the closer you are to the source the stronger the sound pressure is. since being so close the waves are still short and powerful even if they aren't loud.

Which is why dB is a measure of orders of magnatude and not just some incremental thing like volume.

I can't remember, but isn't each decibel double the strength? Like 10dB is twice as powerful as 9dB and so on and so forth?

It's been a while since I used to know all this stuff off hand so I could be confusing it.
 
Floaters I have occasionally. They look like pieces of cotton held in the field of view, but are strongly out of focus, and with a knot in some places, like a piece of frog spawn. Also, they are very very faint. So much so that I don't notice them unless I'm sat quiet gazing at the sky or clouds, and even then it isn't certain whether I'll see them. It feels like months since I last noticed them.

I've had that since I was little and I generally believed it was caused by glancing at the sun and it creates a scar line across the retina that never properly heals, which is perceived like this. The "knots" representing the points where the eye muscle jerked to a temporary stop, causing a harder burn point along this line (Or something like that) I had a feeling this is what caused them, because I first noticed them around the same time I first glanced at the sun.

Medical persons say there is stuff floating in people's eyes (the fluid isn't pure), but they're not sure if this is what floaters are, or whether floaters are something else entirely, the phenomenon hasn't been properly investigated it seems.

It's not a sensory phenomenon like tinnatus or syneasthesia, which are neurological. Floaters are something real within our eyes, but we're not sure exactly what.
 
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I always wondered what floaters were, I was worried they were caused by retinal damage due to laser/sun exposure, glad to see I was wrong. The floaters don't bother me too much I rarely see them. I won't worry about them too much unless an optometrist spots an anomaly in my eyes.

I got Tinnitus a couple years ago from what is believed to be an inner ear infection. When I first got it, the ringing and other noises were just terrible, drove me crazy and stressed me out, but after about six months it got better either from me getting used to it or it genuinely got better. Today I am effectively "cured" since the noises don't bother me most of the time. I don't have any hearing loss the audiogram confirmed this so that's what put my mind most at ease.

The important thing to remember is that a lot of people have these things too or are even worse off, and are completely blind or deaf. Deaf people can have Tinnitus too!
 
I once heard of a way of stopping tinnitus (usually it's only relief for a few hours). If anyone here is interested in trying?
 
I once heard of a way of stopping tinnitus (usually it's only relief for a few hours). If anyone here is interested in trying?
Apart from using certain medications, avoidance of loud noises, cleaning out the earhole, treating any reversible causes such as stopping other medications and treating infections, certain types of surgery (which I'm not really an expert on) and other audiological and psychological means, I'd be interested in knowing. I occasionally get tinnitus but I put it down to wax, especially as it often comes to me in a quiet room.

Interestingly, this Wikipedia article lists famous people who suffered from tinnitus. I'm not entirely sure how accurate that list is, though...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus

Floaters I have occasionally. They look like pieces of cotton held in the field of view, but are strongly out of focus, and with a knot in some places, like a piece of frog spawn. Also, they are very very faint. So much so that I don't notice them unless I'm sat quiet gazing at the sky or clouds, and even then it isn't certain whether I'll see them. It feels like months since I last noticed them.

I've had that since I was little and I generally believed it was caused by glancing at the sun and it creates a scar line across the retina that never properly heals, which is perceived like this. The "knots" representing the points where the eye muscle jerked to a temporary stop, causing a harder burn point along this line (Or something like that) I had a feeling this is what caused them, because I first noticed them around the same time I first glanced at the sun.

Medical persons say there is stuff floating in people's eyes (the fluid isn't pure), but they're not sure if this is what floaters are, or whether floaters are something else entirely, the phenomenon hasn't been properly investigated it seems.

It's not a sensory phenomenon like tinnatus or syneasthesia, which are neurological. Floaters are something real within our eyes, but we're not sure exactly what.

Yes, they certainly do look like frogspawn. :lol: Interestingly, the article quoted above by backstept suggests that many forms of mild damage to the eye causing material to deposit into the vitreous fluid leads to formation of floaters. Perhaps your retinal burn incident might have triggered some of that.

Personally, I'd consider it a benign thing, unless you find it distracting or detrimental to work etc.


Dammit, I'm a trainee physician (and not a very good one), not an ophthalmologist or an otorhinopharyngolaryngologist! ;)
 
I once heard of a way of stopping tinnitus (usually it's only relief for a few hours). If anyone here is interested in trying?
Apart from using certain medications, avoidance of loud noises, cleaning out the earhole, treating any reversible causes such as stopping other medications and treating infections, certain types of surgery (which I'm not really an expert on) and other audiological and psychological means, I'd be interested in knowing.

The idea is to create a pure tone sine wave (you can use your computer to generate one), and through trial and error, tweaking the frequency, match the exact frequency of the tinnitus. You know when you're getting close because you hear beats or at least a 'clash' between the similar tones.

Then listen to that pure tone at a higher volume higher than your tinnitus normally sounds, constantly for about 5 minutes. Then shut it off, (perhaps remember the frequency for use next time).

It is supposed to create a psychological block to that frequency of sound, which is effective for several hours, bringing you relief from the tinnitus for that time. :)
 
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I once heard of a way of stopping tinnitus (usually it's only relief for a few hours). If anyone here is interested in trying?
As far as I'm concerned most for those so called "Tinnitus cures" are a scam, my approach to treating it was purely psychological in nature. What I did was look at it a different way. Instead of being freaked out by the noises and letting them rule my life I would shrug it of saying "that's just my Tinnitus" vs. "This Tinnitus is driving me crazy!" it's something you die with not of.
 
I recently read a news story about a man who is legally blind, he can't consciously see his environment, but he can still instinctively recognize faces and colors, and he even successfully navigated an obstacle course without direction. He apparently suffered damage to the part of his brain that allows him to consciously interpret what he sees, his eyes work perfectly, but his brain can't process what he sees, yet he can still recognize faces . . . I thought it was really interesting

Sounds like an interesting variant of cortical blindness, and a fairly specific deficit to a localised area of the visual cortex. Presumably all the subcortical pathways must still be intact, as must the temporal lobe (the subconscious facial recognition would occur there). Not sure where colour identification occurs though I'm guessing it's somewhere around the frontotemporal area (too long since I've done neuroscience to actually remember).

The obstacle course bit is surprising. That implies a great deal of subconscious processing. I'd certainly want to know for sure whether the physical damage is still present or whether there's a possible conversion disorder component from the trauma.

Fascinating story!
 
Medical persons say there is stuff floating in people's eyes (the fluid isn't pure), but they're not sure if this is what floaters are, or whether floaters are something else entirely, the phenomenon hasn't been properly investigated it seems.

It's not a sensory phenomenon like tinnatus or syneasthesia, which are neurological. Floaters are something real within our eyes, but we're not sure exactly what.

The ink is still wet on my Optometry degree, and my license doesn't extend to BBS's ;) , but as far as what I was taught during my education there is no doubt as to what floaters are.

The jelly that fills the eye behind the iris is called the vitreous (in front of the iris is the aqueous, similar in composition to your tears). Floaters in the jelly are groups of proteins. When those clumps of proteins cross the sight line they can cast a shadow on the retina, which is what you're observing. This is more evident in bright light (looking at a white wall, or a bright blue sky) because the contrast is greater.

As we age, the jelly turns into a more liquid-like consistency and starts to pull away from the retina. This leads to a type of floater which is called a posterior vitreal detachment, and is quite a common occurence in pts in their 50's-60's.

The big fear is that as the vitreous pulls away from the retina it pulls the retina with it, causing a retinal detachment. This is an emergency, and requires quick treatment.
 
I don't know what it is but in the dark with my eyes closed I sometimes see alternating rings of indigo and green converge in the center of my vision . . .
The colors and shapes that you see when your eyes are closed are called "phosphenes."

The idea is to create a pure tone sine wave (you can use your computer to generate one), and through trial and error, tweaking the frequency, match the exact frequency of the tinnitus. You know when you're getting close because you hear beats or at least a 'clash' between the similar tones.
Another trick is to grab your ears and move them in circles for a few seconds; this can sometimes give temporary relief.
 
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