Creationists tell Sir David Attenborough to 'burn in hell'

[Zulu Romeo]

I think the most positive proof about how much Sir David loves his work is that he choose it over running the whole BBC, a job he was going to be offered at one point.

He was controller of BBC 2 at the time when colour television first reached Britain.

I love his work on the BBC's Natural World unit - it was always fascinating and never fails to draw me in when it's on television. He has a true passion for education, science, and broadcasting - no wonder he currently belongs to the Order of Merit.

To see people who don't understand his work badmouth him like that is simply sad.

 

[Hoser]

And Planet Earth is narrated by Sigourney Weaver in the US, so that wouldn't be a good option.

I just read that. The copy I bought from a guy in Virginia last year was done by Attenborough though, weird beans. In fact....the ones that my inlaws got from the library were read by him as well.

Maybe she did it for the air only? (which makes no sense)

 

[Miss Chicken]

I believe that only the Discovery Channel Store carried the DVDs with the Sigourney Weaver narration. The DVDs from all other sources contain the Attenborough narration.

 

[Chimpy Chompy]

That makes you an agnostic by definition. An atheist, by the established definition, is more than 'not believing in a god or gods'. It is the belief that there is not a god or gods. To use your breakdown of the word, they believe they are without 'a' deities 'theist'.

I'm really not sure about your claim of *more* than not believing. But we're probably into the differences between strong and weak. And depending on how you define it, atheist and agnostic aren't mutually exclusive anyway.

 

[Jim Steele]

How dare they fling shit at such an articulate, learned, admirable man with their pig ignorant views.

That is an insulting, arrogant, and out-of-place remark. You are no better than the misguided hate-mailers were.

Calling them pig-ignorant (which they are) is justified considering their abhorrent actions and the absurd, cloth eared beliefs that motivate them. I have every right to think them imbeciles, but you wouldn't see me writing nasty letters or wishing them any ill.

And just to clarify, I don't mean that simply because they're religious (if that is indeed where you think I'm coming from). Cultcross identifies as a christian, he also happens to be a rather decent, interesting and well informed individual.

You should consider finding a way to deal with your own need to "fling shit" at people who you disagree with.

Hmm. Internet "advice", gotta love it.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

That makes you an agnostic by definition. An atheist, by the established definition, is more than 'not believing in a god or gods'. It is the belief that there is not a god or gods. To use your breakdown of the word, they believe they are without 'a' deities 'theist'.

I see atheism as lacking belief, rather than actively believing there is no god. I'm atheist and I'd say "I don't believe in god." not "I know there's no god."

If you say it's more than that, maybe it's the "I think the possibility of god is highly unlikely." In theory I'm open to the idea there is a god, but I'm not open to having it proven to me by preaching at me from a book, or saying "I know because I feel it." I'd need proof, but I'm still atheist.
Seems to me agnostic is more being open to the possibility on more than a theoretical level. But I guess that's more as I see it than the accepted term.

As for creationism being taught in schools, it's true. It's not accepted by the curriculum but a lot of "city academies" and the like are teaching it. As well as other schools, I know my nieces have both been taught rubbish I had to set them straight on. Such as "The sun is a ball of flame that exists because god wants it to." and "Science says humans come from monkeys, but it's not true." And that's in science class. I believe Pingfah also knows people who've experienced similar things.

As I said in TNZ it's a shame that after decades of these shows, and especially at his age, that he has to put up with shit like this.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Look at it this way: It's within the realm of possibility that I'm really an intelligent plant on Venus who is dreaming all this while hibernating through the acid rain hurricane season, but the odds are so extreme that it's not really worth thinking about. And that likelihood is far greater than there being a god.

 

[Hoser]

What's the likelihood of there not being a god?

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Look at it this way: It's within the realm of possibility that I'm really an intelligent plant on Venus who is dreaming all this while hibernating through the acid rain hurricane season, but the odds are so extreme that it's not really worth thinking about. And that likelihood is far greater than there being a god.

Well according to quantum mechanics it's possible I could walk across the street and randomly end up on Mars, too. And as you say, I see that as being more likely than god, too.

 

[Chimpy Chompy]

What's the likelihood of there not being a god?

Define "god"!

 

[Pingfah]

I see atheism as lacking belief, rather than actively believing there is no god. I'm atheist and I'd say "I don't believe in god." not "I know there's no god."

If you say it's more than that, maybe it's the "I think the possibility of god is highly unlikely." In theory I'm open to the idea there is a god, but I'm not open to having it proven to me by preaching at me from a book, or saying "I know because I feel it." I'd need proof, but I'm still atheist.
Seems to me agnostic is more being open to the possibility on more than a theoretical level. But I guess that's more as I see it than the accepted term.

Yes, I agree with this.

I would add that the lack of belief is not a belief in itself either as many are very keen to dispute, for whatever reason. And that the only time I consider that I don't believe in god is when somebody tells me that they do such as in this thread. Beyond that the subject means virtually nothing to me.

Bring me evidence worth considering and i'll consider it, but until somebody does god is firmly in the realms of fantasy and fiction. I no more have a belief system related to that than I have one related to the aforementioned goblins and unicorns. I don't self identify as an aunicorneist for example, because there is no need.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Yes, I agree with this.

I would add that the lack of belief is not a belief in itself either as many are very keen to dispute, for whatever reason. And that the only time I consider that I don't believe in god is when somebody tells me that they do such as in this thread. Beyond that the subject means virtually nothing to me.

Bring me evidence worth considering and i'll consider it, but until somebody does god is firmly in the realms of fantasy and fiction. I no more have a belief system related to that than I have one related to the aforementioned goblins and unicorns. I don't self identify as an aunicorneist for example, because there is no need.

Looks as if we take pretty much the same view on the subject. The only time I have any antagonism towards religion is when it's (believers are) trying to interfere in things where religion has no place. Religion is a private thing and has no place in decision making on a governmental level, or within schools, beyond religious education. Or when believers are trying to push their views down my, or other people's throats, or say their view is more valid because of religion.

 

[Jim Steele]

Yes, I agree with this.

I would add that the lack of belief is not a belief in itself either as many are very keen to dispute, for whatever reason. And that the only time I consider that I don't believe in god is when somebody tells me that they do such as in this thread. Beyond that the subject means virtually nothing to me.

Bring me evidence worth considering and i'll consider it, but until somebody does god is firmly in the realms of fantasy and fiction. I no more have a belief system related to that than I have one related to the aforementioned goblins and unicorns. I don't self identify as an aunicorneist for example, because there is no need.

Looks as if we take pretty much the same view on the subject. The only time I have any antagonism towards religion is when it's (believers are) trying to interfere in things where religion has no place. Religion is a private thing and has no place in decision making on a governmental level, or within schools, beyond religious education. Or when believers are trying to push their views down my, or other people's throats, or say their view is more valid because of religion.

Agreed.

 

[Hoser]

What's the likelihood of there not being a god?

Define "god"!

Ask RJ, he started it.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I thought this would be as good a place as any to post this

From BBC Press Office

As part of the BBC's Darwin Season, and supporting David Attenborough's new documentary Charles Darwin And The Tree Of Life, the BBC Archive is taking audiences back 53 years to join David on one of his first adventures for the BBC: Zoo Quest For A Dragon.
First broadcast in 1956, Zoo Quest For A Dragon was the third series of the iconic Zoo Quest show that saw David travel to Indonesia in search of a Komodo dragon.
All six episodes of this ground-breaking series, along with a special interview with David about the evolution of Zoo Quest, are featured in the collection – allowing a new generation to enjoy this series online.
The collection also includes rarely seen photographs dating back to 1955, and previously unpublished documents, and, including audience reports, handwritten letters from Attenborough to the team back in London and letters of thanks to friends he made along the way.



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The site goes live on the 30 January and the public can see the collection by going online to bbc.co.uk/archive/attenborough.

 

[Amaris]

Yes, I agree with this.

I would add that the lack of belief is not a belief in itself either as many are very keen to dispute, for whatever reason. And that the only time I consider that I don't believe in god is when somebody tells me that they do such as in this thread. Beyond that the subject means virtually nothing to me.

Bring me evidence worth considering and i'll consider it, but until somebody does god is firmly in the realms of fantasy and fiction. I no more have a belief system related to that than I have one related to the aforementioned goblins and unicorns. I don't self identify as an aunicorneist for example, because there is no need.

Looks as if we take pretty much the same view on the subject. The only time I have any antagonism towards religion is when it's (believers are) trying to interfere in things where religion has no place. Religion is a private thing and has no place in decision making on a governmental level, or within schools, beyond religious education. Or when believers are trying to push their views down my, or other people's throats, or say their view is more valid because of religion.

As a Christian, I can say that sounds reasonable and fair.
I have the freedom to pray and believe, to lead church services in my home, and you have the freedom to live your life as you see fit without having someone push God down your throat.

J.

 

[The Borg Queen]

Atheism = "Which God? Proof or STFU."

 

[The Borg Queen]

They do. That's what "Faith" means: Believing in something... in the face of negative evidence.

No, THAT'S deliberate, willful ignorance and deserves nothing but contempt and derision.

 

[Jim Steele]

I thought this would be as good a place as any to post this

From BBC Press Office

As part of the BBC's Darwin Season, and supporting David Attenborough's new documentary Charles Darwin And The Tree Of Life, the BBC Archive is taking audiences back 53 years to join David on one of his first adventures for the BBC: Zoo Quest For A Dragon.
First broadcast in 1956, Zoo Quest For A Dragon was the third series of the iconic Zoo Quest show that saw David travel to Indonesia in search of a Komodo dragon.
All six episodes of this ground-breaking series, along with a special interview with David about the evolution of Zoo Quest, are featured in the collection – allowing a new generation to enjoy this series online.
The collection also includes rarely seen photographs dating back to 1955, and previously unpublished documents, and, including audience reports, handwritten letters from Attenborough to the team back in London and letters of thanks to friends he made along the way.



...


The site goes live on the 30 January and the public can see the collection by going online to bbc.co.uk/archive/attenborough.

Awesome.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I thought this would be as good a place as any to post this

From BBC Press Office

As part of the BBC's Darwin Season, and supporting David Attenborough's new documentary Charles Darwin And The Tree Of Life, the BBC Archive is taking audiences back 53 years to join David on one of his first adventures for the BBC: Zoo Quest For A Dragon.
First broadcast in 1956, Zoo Quest For A Dragon was the third series of the iconic Zoo Quest show that saw David travel to Indonesia in search of a Komodo dragon.
All six episodes of this ground-breaking series, along with a special interview with David about the evolution of Zoo Quest, are featured in the collection – allowing a new generation to enjoy this series online.
The collection also includes rarely seen photographs dating back to 1955, and previously unpublished documents, and, including audience reports, handwritten letters from Attenborough to the team back in London and letters of thanks to friends he made along the way.



...


The site goes live on the 30 January and the public can see the collection by going online to bbc.co.uk/archive/attenborough.

Awesome.

I've just watched the first episode, and all I can say "is fucking hell, how times have changed."